SHORT TERM: quiet day starts the week, DOW +15
Overnight the Asian markets gained 0.2%. Europe opened lower but gained 0.2% as well. US index futures were lower overnight, and the market opened two points below friday’s SPX 1418 close. After some hesitation in the opening minutes the market started to rally. At 11:00 the SPX hit a new rebound high at 1422. Then after a pullback to SPX 1417 by 2:30 the market bounced to close at 1419.
For the day the SPX/DOW were +0.05%, and the NDX/NAZ were +0.30%. Bonds gained 2 ticks, Crude slipped 25 cents, Gold rallied $6, and the USD was lower. Medium term support remains at the 1386 and 1372 pivots, with resistance at the 1440 and 1499 pivots. Tomorrow: the two day FOMC meeting begins. At 8:30 the Trade deficit will be reported, followed by Wholesale inventories at 10:00.
The market opened a bit lower today, then rallied to a new rebound high at SPX 1422. After a small five point pullback, the market then bounced higher for the rest of the day. This market appears to have a slight upward bias as it awaits the tues/wed FOMC meeting. Weekend rumors suggest the FED will bump QE 3 to $80 bln/mth, with Operation Twist expiring. Whatever they do decide may be a risk on/risk off event, short/medium/long term.
Short term support remains at SPX 1413/16 and 1402/03, with resistance at 1422/27 and the 1440 point. Short term momentum hit quite overbought this morning then declined to neutral. The short term OEW charts remain positive with the swing level now around 1411. Best to your trading during this potentially pivotal week.
MEDIUM TERM: uptrend highly probable
LONG TERM: market nearing bull/bear inflection point
meanwhile, futures continue drudging on to new rally highs… did ES need to ring the 1434 bell as well before we could shake things up?
Well ES futures retraced 99% of the days range and then popped it to 75% from days low…
Ho Ho Ho
Nothing has changed except P/L’s
CL quietly takes out pits high..
IMO this is the most important period for the SPX since spring 2009
Lee, that sounds philosophical…tell us more
Capital preservation
Do not risk what u can’t afford to absolutely lose and more (slippage)
I hope I’m wrong and I probably am
ditto
Thanks Tony for putting it out there for us !
Lee, this could be a wild week before it’s all said and done
Thanks Lee. I so know ur right Lee
Being the under-earning spouse allowed me to mess with rules for some time and i am happy about having being able to learn and experiment for a while ,but rules are rules (and that’s why I just got stopped out a minute ago)..
and I think it’s good to experience losses so that the fundamental wisdom that you bring up can really sink in…we only learn thru losses.
Hey C B
Stops are the most frustrating and most valuable orders u can enter.
A person can get away without using them if they plan on not making this their career.
I use them to protect my flawed human tendencies of pride and ignorance
I say go big or go home!! I’m all in. No coincidence about the S&P high (1434.27) today matching the 11/02 high of same to the penny.
On another note, I wanted to know what your take is on the SPY and it’s supposed exact tracking of the S&P. I Googled it and that is the consensus.
fibretrace1618 is TheOne!
Those good old days!
Thanks Lee. Well said!! I need to dp things more “your way.”
you guys think 1427-1430 is still resistance now going into tomorrow?
I am afraid I agree on the one diagnosis..geez that’s a tough one
so thanks for the warning i3.
Tony
Is Ben is saying ? …Go ahead tug on my beard..it’s real
thanks !
Don’t know, but find it interesting CNBC brings Greenspan on the day before 12/12/12
Oh CB, I would not know. I was just joking.
well, I don’t know either I3…but after reading a few lines I have to say: ‘very similar approach’…and that’s all I need to know (to stay away..lol)…..you guys be careful w/all the “fun” cuz ur on your own this time -so make sure it doen’t get out of control..
Ye ole Globex high @ 1424 ESZ
Tonys DJIA 60 min inflection line held so far
long march…Soldiers are tired…Need food..
R1 1423.75 in ESZ held it
I seem to be one of those emotional (what the hell kind of ) rooks who gets beaten like a Redheaded Stepchild and keeps coming back for more, don’t I. Did my time Brother, that’s the only way you can get here. Nobody finds out just how simple this crap game is unless they make it to the other side, unfortunately very few do.
Hey Fib
For all I know u can be a billionaire HF manager
I like your “Go big or go home!”
long ZC @ 727.5. 723.5 stop OCO 737 lmt.
Please don’t voodoo doll my trades..TIA!
why in the world would u get long Zc here ?
JK !
PP ESZ @ 1417.25
Because it looks AWESOME on 1HR chart… You know what I mean!
Inflection point 1 st touch reaction jackson
Move stop to break even..at least this one won’t be a loser..
A scratch. Had thought about getting out ~ 730. Oh well.
Watching the OEW – DJI 60min – Negetive divergences have formed….
The SP500 BoYu Buy signal from 12/6 remain in tack, as of last evening.
As does the FAGIX fund Buy signal….
Guys IMO To make $ at trading U have to trade to make $
lots of R but would’ve been smarter to wait for pivot…..
ok, the pivot worked…so where is support now..we’re kinda pivotless til 1380 right?
1386 pivot , rather
HDPOC 1404
I am not that bearish.
OK, then 1424 -38 % maybe -that’s mean
I mean: mean pullback
anyways ,poc? -what control, HD ?…control is an illusion – isn’t that what “The Thinker” said?
yes CB 1386
Thanks Lee!…I guess ur saying we’re gonna steamroll over Hd’s 1404 (POC) …yay!! lets’ do it
C B
Nobody puts baby in a corner and nobody steam rolls the HDIVOT.
The steam rolling wouldn’t start IMO until 1363 goes
thanks Lee…honestly I was soo looking forward to that steamrolling.lol…..but HDVOT rules, of course!
You have to be in it to win it!
I’m starting with 10 SPX 1350 MAR 13 P. Kramer just told me that this market is, OUT OF CONTROL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Fib
Kramer from Seinfeld ?
I heard he’s getting a new sitcom
Are you shitt^n me? I don’t think that dog is going to hunt. Honestly, I don’t want to see it happen. “Seinfeld” is the greatest comedy ever produced and that Kramer is hysterical. He comes out now doing a geriatric solo act, I think it could get ugly.
T, LX, am I frickin tripping or what???????????????? Matt & George are getting angry!!!!!!!!!!
Dare I say a + Div in CL today ?
trading it is like trying to hold on to a bag of squirrels
Fib is in the corner chillin, dude don’t need no bots. Been doing these rodeos for 800 plus years.
I was under the impression that the SPY tracked the S&P. Apparently not too well, I’m seeing a 143.72 High on 11/02 and a 1434.27 for the S&P which coincidentally is today’s high. Am I missing something here?? The SPY takes the 11/02 high out decisively today at 144.07 yet the S&P matches the 11/02 high to the penny at 1434.27. WTF, talk to me T-Man.
Scoreboard
Bots – infinity
Carbon Units-0.2360
Inflection mania !
So cheap short here ?
i just jumped on that wagon. just for a trade. like a Lee-quick trade
hahaha. that… was good.
just call us 23.6%-ers
The SPX has just entered the Twilight Zone
Haaaa Nice !
GL !!!
That’s better than entering the stank ass zone I was in last night. That might get me a T-Man reg violation. Couldn’t help myself T, I’m OUT OF CONTROL!!!!!!!!!!!!
3rd wave breakouts in progress
http://www.wavegenius.com/2012/12/11/elliott-wave-noon-update-12-11-12-3rd-wave-breakouts-in-progress-youtube/
LX you nailed the count on aapl, kudos ( maybe out of the driveway and around the block tonight?) lol.
hey gary
Lucky guess at best !
I love to hang my head out the window when I drive.
lol! that’d some nice out-of-the box-thinkin!.
nice call, Lee..& thanks for the fibs!
AAPL putting in a pretty bullish mornging star setup. so far
High on the SPY at 143.69, If I had to say I think Mr. Market just sucked in the last of the shorts in and is going south for the Winter.
Anyway, if they hold short the shi$ out of this market, if not load up and get long.
Im Dec till Thursday…old school
ESH 10/18 high to 11/16 low 23.60 % = 1431.50
this market, in the immortal words of mc hammer – “can’t touch this!”
Watch these points: SPY (143.72), IWM (83.45), SOX (391.92—–>394.93). See you T
Thanks fib
ESH 1423.50 came into the Nov sell area. See if any other sellers show up. GL
Nice
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It just keeps getting easier and easier…yawn
BTW
I think Ive uncovered and coat tailed a CL algo thats been running this month..details later
cheers!
Didn’t US stocks rally right up until the very last minute during the debt ceiling debate last year? Are we doing that again, in the face of a near-certain political debacle/roller-coaster? In all my years as a bond investor, i’ve come to realize – equity investors are gluttons for punishment!
RC … stocks do not have a par value … it’s all risk
i agree. but somehow to me that only reinforces my point. equity is essentially a call option on the value of a firm. one should want to buy that option when it is cheapest, which will be when the underlying value of a firm is most uncertain. relative to economics, right now it seems to me that the maket assumes some sort of deal will be hashed out before year end. just as last year the market figured that a routine debt ceiling debate would be resolved in a timely fashion.
if the base base is that things should be resolved before year end, then frankly there isn’t much to be concerned about right now. that means uncertainty really isn’t that high, which to me also means that the call option that is equity is priced relatively higher.
in essence, to me the upside case is also pretty close to the consensus assumption. so what if we get a deal tomorrow? no big deal – we already thought they’d come to one in the next two weeks anyway. what if it’s 12/30 and they’re still far apart? risks seem skewed to the downside to me.
just like last year, everybody was talking about the debt ceiling debate and the silly debt ceiling countdown clock on CNBC, but nobody really thought it would come to any type of real issue.
I honestly do not believe that “the market is never wrong” addage is true anymore. sure you can say that the market is always right because it is what it is – if it goes up, you should have been long and if it goes down you should have been short. of course that’s all true. but i’m speaking more from an efficient market standpoint. i think we have way too many computers trading on technical signals to be an efficient market. i think these systems cause the market to develop momentum that is way too strong and too long, constantly overshooting where a truly efficient market should be. market moves would be much smoother if it were efficient and “always right” in my view.
as the probabilities of certain positive and negative events evolve over time so should the market. if you’re standing on a train track and a train is barrelling down at you, each moment that passes and you don’t move, you will increase in your head the probability that you are hit. that change i probability should be fairly linear, such than when it’s 1″ away the chance is going to be 99.99999%. with the market, when reality is 1″ away, often times the market is still pricing it as a 10% event.
i realize that’s a simplistic analogy, but i think a lot of behavorial finance phenomena come to play into it quite a bit, not the least of which is that investors on the average hold too long to a view supportive of their position (i am long, therefore i am optimistic; i am short, therefore i am pessimistic). and they will do that all the way until the point when they get run over. just my two cents. sorry for rambling!
RC,
The more participants the less outside forces, i.e. PPT, etc. can affect the markets.
Certainly there are many trend following systems, EW analysis, technical indicators, etc.
But in the end investors are looking for ROI.
When Bonds, Bills, Notes are offering historically low rates, while ‘real’ inflation is running well above those rates, stocks offer a fair risk/reward opportunity.
Nevertheless, eventually every Cycle runs its course over time. Sentiment changes.
Currently, with the FED in a position to counter balance anything the government does so the risk is not all that great. But, eventually, even the FED has a tendency to overshoot its activities.
Personally this looks like an important week as the market heads into the 1434-1462 range.
My 2 cents…
The economy is not the market – two separate entities… Valuations are fluid and change by the minute. Economy can go no where or even become in recesion and markets can still rally – and vice versa.
Actually a big breakout underway here…Last couple weeks A/D line showing itself.
Tommy,
Historically the stock market has predicted 10 of the last 6 recesssions.
agree!
i agree with most of your comments Tony. i’m still not entirely convinced that the low rates necessarily make equities attractive. i do agree that rates are unattractive. however, one thing i hear a lot of in the institutional money world is everybody seems to be a buyer on rate backups. “i’m not a buyer here, but 15bp cheaper.” i think there are a lot of equity holders who are rates buyers on backups. to me that signals not very bullish flows, and low rates for a while. i think it will take several quarters of robust economic growth to alter the generally capital-preservation + income generation mindsight.
in response to TommyBoys – economies and markets are seperate, sure, but not unlinked and autonomous. to say that the market can rally in a recession is a little disengenous in my view. of course that can happen. and it can selloff in a growing economy. but that comment attempts to ignore the fact that the market likely already had a preceding selloff in tandem with the economic reality of the recession. we shouldn’t ignore that primary link just because markets don’t always move lockstep on a daily basis, in my opinion. i there’s a good reason why Tony tracks ECRI data, WLEI and a host of other economic indicators even though he’s an OEW trader.
Bond buyers are buying rallies and not pullbacks? Odd.
We track evverything because it effects medium term moves.
I’ve worried a lot over the past decade and a half. I’ve read ALL the books – ALL Prechter’s, Bonner’s, Dent’s, Soro’s, Strauss & Howe and on and on etc… I’ve learned not to worry so much – just assess where we may be in 3-6 months – and go wth it. Fear is likely the largest market in the world…use it.
no Tony, i did mean bond selloffs, not rallies. by “rate backup” i meant when rates go up, folks come in to buy. all is right in the world of logic don’t worry.
Tommy – agree with you there 110%. cheers!
Tommy,
Fear sells products
Correct…and always recognize that that is the main reason its all over the media. 90% of the time its benign information spun for fear production.
Dax within 25 pts of 4 year highs. what European crisis??
In the link provided, the ongoing Yahoo Finance chart of World Stocks, VT, and YAO, INDY, EWA, VGK, SPY, shows that China, YAO, India, INDY, Australia, EWA, … http://tinyurl.com/acshq9n … are pulling World Stock up; while the Europe, VGK, and the S&P, SPY, are pulling World Stocks down. We are witnessing the inability of the world’s two major world banks to continue to stimulate global growth and corporate productivity.
The chart of world stocks, VT, the chart of large cap stocks, SPY, communicates that Peak Stock Wealth has been obtained. One can no longer grow or preserve wealth by investing in the S&P.
Thanks Yenguy,
For a moment I thought you were turning bullish.
Haha!.. Classic..
low risk folio of 40 some stocks today was +.96% vs. $IWM benchmark +.44%
roadmap folio of ten stocks was +.4% vs. $SPY benchmark +0.04%.
high risk B folio of ten stocks was +.7% vs. $IWM benchmark +.44% but still struggling due to $ZLC earnings
RSI declined much more than index on 60 min spx, thats bullish !
increased longs to 100% – from 90% – this morning. purchased 37 stocks, including aci, anr, nihd, etc.
i’ll post the spread sheet this coming weekend.
this new folio of large and small cap stocks increased 1.035% today while the benchmark $MDY increased 0.62%.
spx “pstt” indicator is now on buy signal.
thinkingtrades saying this today: “McClellan Oscillator had very small changes in the past 4 days. Big move ahead. Either 1450 or 1390. $SPX” – 5th day today.”
Anyone can explain why he is saying that, mentioning both directions based on that?.. thanks. Btw Mclellan has moved from 56.52 to 21.90 in the last few days and is now rising…??
3rd Wave Targets Revisited
http://www.wavegenius.com/2012/12/10/elliott-wave-forecast-video-for-12-11-12-3rd-wave-targets-revisited-youtube/
Hi Tony, for facebook, how high do you think Wave 3 could reach? thx and great site!!!
FB $33?
Thanks Tony!
Dear Tony
Love your site and all that you do for us out here. I have a question on APPLE. I have attached Avi Gilburt’s Elliott Wave count and he thinks we are at the bottom with at rest at $505 soon for a W bottom and then to new highs in the first quarter for wave 5. Could I trouble you for your count and outlook. We are getting killed out here and need some help.
Thanks and I have supplied the Link to his projection and his chart for your viewing.
Conan
P.S. Would love to learn more about your classes. I will be signing up once I get through this APPLE debacle.
Avi Gilbert Apple projections
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-top-and-bottom-targets-hit-now-what-2012-12-07
Chart
https://www.elliottwavetrader.net/images/charts/full-HtdRwpO5kwHNvH6bcmwh.jpg
Sorry typo, that should read RETEST at $505
Hi Conannca,
Can’t count the recent $700 high as a B wave.
AAPL rose nearly $200 in a B wave?
Since late 2008 it has only had one wave larger than $200.
weekly
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=AAPL&p=W&st=2008-01-01&en=(today)&id=p26509735106&a=72753635&listNum=11
daily
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=AAPL&p=D&b=3&g=0&id=p15558743518&a=72519467&listNum=11
Short term we have the same relative count with $518.63 being a key level.
good luck!
Tony, if 518.63 is a key level then where is it headed if that level breaks? Does it has the potential to affect the overall bullish count for the market?
Tony
Thanks, for your charts. So to clarify, on the daily we are working on C of 4 down and hopefully completes here with a W formation at between 518/505 range. And then on the Weekly with 4 complete we are to commence with wave 5 up to complete the long term uptrend? If not will you please clarify. As you know there is a HUGE H&S chart floating around with a neckline right here and measured move to $420 which is FRIGHTENING and I find hard to believe is accurate.
Thanks again for your help, many of us got caught on the magnitude of this drop and need some guidance at this critical level.
MY VERY BEST TO YOUR FOR YOUR HELP !!!!!!!!!
Conan
Con,
The previous shoulder took months to develop, this one 2 weeks? Poor H&S formation.
The daily chart displays a serious decline to $506, which is probably the low of Major 4.
After the rally to $595 another drop to $519. If $519 does not hold a retest of $506, or lower, is likely next.
Both counts suggests at least another attempt at a new high.
good luck!
Tony,
Good Morning, and THANK YOU for your APPLE count. WE ALL greatly appreciate ALL that you do.
Warm Regards,
Conan
Often times, it is hard to be a Bull. My BoYu indicator,
as applied to the SP500, and FAGIX fund, are on Buy
signals. FAGIX fund since Nov 21st….Dec can be a very
volatile month. Keep stops in place….
Thanks, Tony.