REVIEW
For the bears it was a good week. With the exception of monday’s lightly traded semi-holiday session, the market made a new downtrend low every day. For the week the SPX/DOW were -1.75%, and the NDX/NAZ were -1.85%. Asian markets lost 1.2%, European markets lost 2.2%, and the DJ World index was -1.9%. On the economic front it was not much better. For the first time in many weeks the economic reports were predominately negative, with 8 to 3 to the downside. On the uptick: business inventories. the monetary base, and the CPI. On the downtick: retail sales, the PPI, the NY/Philly FED, industrial production, the WLEI, plus both the budget deficit and weekly jobless claims rose. Next week, another light economic report ahead of thursday’s Thanksgiving holiday, we’ll get reports on Consumer sentiment, the Leading indicators and Housing. Best to your Holiday!
LONG TERM: bull market
Despite the markets seemingly relentless decline since the Election, this correction continues to look quite normal for this stage of the wave structure. It has declined somewhat more than we recently expected as the SPX hit, our worse case support scenario, SPX 1345/46 on friday.
On wednesday we raised the probability for our alternate bearish count from 20% to 30%. Remaining objective we would like to review both of these bullish and bearish counts, as the market has reached another inflection point. They seem to occur every year now.
Our preferred bullish count remains unchanged. We have been expecting a five Primary wave bull market into 2013. Primary waves I and II completed in 2011, and Primary wave III has been underway since then. Primary I divided into five Major waves, with a subdividing Major wave 1. Primary III also divided into five Major waves, but now both Major 1 and Major 3 appear to be subdividing. When this correction concludes, Intermediate wave iii of Major wave 3 should be underway, to new bull market highs.
Our alternate bearish count, first posted last weekend, suggests the bull market ended at the recent DOW 13,662 high (SPX 1475) in the form of an elongated diagonal triangle. The five Primary waves expected, unfolded in an overlapping fashion forming a rising wedge. Should this be the effective pattern, the market should lose about 50% of its value over the next few years. We noted four levels of importance on the DOW chart: 12,700, 12,500, 12,300 and 12,100. As each level is hit the probabilities of this count rises accordingly: 12,700 was 20%, 12,500 is now 30%, etc.
While the bullish count suggests this is now a buying opportunity. The bearish alternate count suggests one shouldn’t be in the equity market at all. Confusing right? We will now approach this inflection point objectively so that you can make your own investment decisions.
The initial downtrend of the last five bear markets, going back three decades, has displayed a market decline between 6.9% and 13.8% with the mean at 10.8%. After this downtrend an uptrend has always followed that has retraced between 69% and 90% of the downtrend, with the mean at 75%. Then, the next downtrend resumes the bear market. Reviewing the current bull market structure which has contained only Intermediate, Major and Primary waves. When this Int. wave ii downtrend concludes the next uptrend, Int. wave iii, must make new highs. It can not fall short, as a 69% to 90% retracement, and subdivide into a wave of a lesser degree. Major wave 3 of Primary I did not subdivide at all. Therefore we see no reason for Major wave 3 of Primary III to subdivide any further than it already has.
What does this all mean? When this downtrend ends, there will likely be at least a 69% retracement of the entire decline. If this upcoming uptrend fails to make new highs we are very likely in a new bear market. If it makes new highs the bull market resumes with the preferred count. The next uptrend will be the key to the entire bull/bear inflection point. Let’s see what the market decides in the coming weeks/months.
MEDIUM TERM: downtrend hits SPX 1343
The current downtrend, we have been labeling Intermediate wave ii, has now declined 8.9% from the bull market high of SPX 1475. Previous Int. wave ii corrections, during this bull market, have declined between 9.1% and 10.4%. This also happens to be the mean range for all corrections during this bull market.
Currently we have a rare ‘quite’ oversold condition on the weekly chart with an MACD still above the bullish neutral. The daily chart is displaying a near ‘extreme’ oversold condition, and the hourly chart is displaying a positive divergence. These technical readings have been signs of an pending downtrend low during this bull market.
We have been counting the wave structure of this downtrend as a double three. The first three wave decline ended at SPX 1426 and we labeled it Minor A. After a Minor B wave rally to SPX 1464, another three wave decline began for Minor C. When Minor wave C first began we noted some fibonacci/retracement support levels. At the OEW 1386 pivot there was 38.2% retracement of the previous uptrend, and Minor C = 1.618 Minor A. At the OEW 1363 pivot there was a 50.0% retracement. Then our worse case scenario was SPX 1345/46 which represents a 61.8% retracement, and Minor C = 2.618 Minor A. This last fibonacci/retracement support level was hit on friday when the SPX reached 1343. This is also very close to the SPX 1341 level, which would be a 9.1% decline. The next medium term support would be at the OEW 1313 pivot, (which would be close to a 10.4% decline), and the 1303 pivot, with resistance at the 1363 and 1372 pivot.
SHORT TERM
Short term support is at SPX 1342/47 and 1333/38, with resistance at the 1363 and 1372 pivots. Short term momentum is rising off a recent positive divergence. The short term OEW charts remain negative since SPX 1416, with the swing level now at 1375.
A closer look at Minor wave C displays a five wave Minute wave A decline to SPX 1403. Then an abc Minute wave B rally to SPX 1434, followed by another five wave decline which may have ended on friday at SPX 1343. At this level Minute C = 1.5 Minute A. We have also noted during Minute wave C each notable wave made a lower high and lower low until SPX 1343 was hit on friday. Then, at least for the short term, the trend reversed to higher highs and a higher low. The last time this occurred was during the Minute B wave rally. But it also occurs at the beginning of new uptrends.
Remaining objective, the next positive sign will occur when the short term OEW charts turn positive again. Currently this will require a rally above SPX 1375. Then we should get an all clear for a new uptrend when the SPX crosses 1400. With the hourly chart displaying an extremely oversold MACD double bottom, and a RSI positive divergence, there is a good possibility that friday’s low could have been the end of the downtrend. Best to your trading!
FOREIGN MARKETS
The Asian markets were mixed on the week for a net loss of 1.2%. Hong Kong and Indonesia remain in uptrends, and Japan is close to confirming one as well.
The European markets were all lower on the week for a new loss of 2.2%. Only Greece remains in an uptrend.
The Commodity equity group were all lower on the week for a net loss of 2.5%. All three indices are downtrending.
The DJ World index is downtrending and lost 1.9% on the week.
COMMODITIES
Bonds remain in a choppy uptrend gaining 0.2% on the week. The 10YR rate has declined from 1.89% to 1.57% on friday.
Crude is trying to establish an uptrend off a positive divergence and gained 1.2% on the week.
Gold is also trying to establish an uptrend but lost 1.0% on the week.
The USD is still uptrending, starting to get overbought, and gained 0.3% on the week. The EUR also gained 0.3%, while the JPYUSD dropped 2.3%.
NEXT WEEK
Monday kicks off this holiday shortened week with Existing home sales and the NAHB at 10:00. On tuesday: Housing starts and Building permits. Then on wednesday: weekly Jobless claims, Consumer sentiment and Leading indicators. Thursday is the Thanksgiving holiday and on friday volume will be quite light. FED chairman Bernanke gives speech on tuesday, at noon, in NYC. This is quite unusual for the FED to be giving speeches during a holiday week. It might be an important one. Best to your weekend, week and holiday.




Tony,
“This deflationary Secular cycle/Crisis period will end, and a new Growth period will begin yet again. Cycles, frequency and vibration makes the Universe what it is …”
You think it will start happening 2014-2015?
We have been targeting 2016
Anybody considering a short here at SPX 1386 ? Just for a tradeski ?
I guess she wants to just snug right up to the 1386 pivot – fine by me
Nice call on Friday Lee – very nice
Hey pbnj
I’m just happy to be here !
thx
Well your input is amazing and Tony – well, yours is just priceless – thank you to both of you.
Cheers
Yup – there’s that snuggy I was referring to – pretty ain’t it
its magic
Tony, a iii of 3 or bear market rally? Both are impulsive by nature. Any levels you are looking at for confirmation?
http://caldaro.wordpress.com/
Remaining objective, the next positive sign will occur when the short term OEW charts turn positive again. Currently this will require a rally above SPX 1375. Then we should get an all clear for a new uptrend when the SPX crosses 1400. With the hourly chart displaying an extremely oversold MACD double bottom, and a RSI positive divergence, there is a good possibility that friday’s low could have been the end of the downtrend. Best to your trading!
I have an oldish pivot at 75.50 I’d personally like to see
no dip to buy but IMO 84.50′s not a bad spot to sell em
ref TBF – sure looks like an OEW minor (b) wave low in place…..Bud
Tony, Did the rally above 1375 negate another low to the 1313 pivot?
What I mean is, can we still be in minute wave c and get a new low.
Short term charts turned positive this AM for first time since 1416.
Now we need the rally to get over 1400
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/treasury-secretary-geithner-lift-debt-limit-infinity
The best is yet to come!
Although the 90′s was arguably the best decade fro music. ever
dylan has the right attitude doesn’t he – he would’ve been a great market timer…maybe he’ll start his own newsletter ..I thought we caught his last concert in 1990 or somewhere there..but he’s stil at it…
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/rock-stars/bob-dylan-net-worth/
Hey C B
I think he’ll stick to what he’s doing
Thanks Tony…I am sticking with ur objective take..Lee’s pivot calls ( and a whole bunch of other cool inpu t:) , a little bit of hard rock…and with HD’s “the best is yet to come”
gee, no I hink it was in feb of 1997 in Nashville…
Hey H D
“the best is yet to come ”
As long as you don’t make” too much” money
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/19/opinion/krugman-the-twinkie-manifesto.html?ref=opinion
wow, that Krugman is really something…look at this sentence “And the high-tax, strong-union decades after World War II were in fact marked by spectacular, widely shared economic growth: nothing before or since has matched the doubling of median family income between 1947 and 1973.” Imho, he’s confusing causationand with coincidence….a big no-no when someone claims to be an objective economist… the setenece is making it look like the growth of that period was somehow the result of “high-taxes and strong-unions” while the prosperity was merely coincidental with those trends…the real cause of the prosperity was the after-war boom and population boom..talk about confusion and leftist propaganda ..
confusing causation with coincidence ..
Well said C B
what I am saying is when the pie is getting bihger (econ. growth) it’s easy to share the pie and cut it any any way pepple want (unions, social justice etc..Krugmans fav terms)…but cutting the pie doesnt make the pie any bigger …end or rant
weird, i just read it for what he said “that economic justice and economic growth aren’t incompatible.” Just data not propaganda IMO.
CB,
The real growth after WW II was because the US had entered a new Growth era, after completing the deflationary Secular cycle and the crisis era of the Saeculum. Currencies were realigned, sovereign debt was being paid off, and housing was booming — because of low rates and the military returning home to jobs, getting married and raising families. Business was optimistic! Taxes and Unions eventually impeded that growth during the Protest period that followed JFKs assassination.
This deflationary Secular cycle/Crisis period will end, and a new Growth period will begin yet again. Cycles, frequency and vibration makes the Universe what it is …
well said Tony
Ur a product of the Boom !
1947
nice year 1947! -year of the Pig – Pigs are great folks!!
thanks Lee! -when Krugman finally gets into the hip-hop movement, he’ll come around
thanks Tony! My previous post landed up in the wrong place -up by Bob Dylan.
HD- these guys are experts at influencing people…just the way they communicate…
Hey H D
I know this might sound lame but I love the 70′s music ..especially the hard rock
Classic rock! BTW, taxes, I gotta guy for that
but this ain’t the 50′s anymore…. the new economy has new money, new yuppies, new problems…. JMHO
Got to gotta guy !!!
hahaha
yeah, he’s getting by, Lee
if he was more profit-oriented , he’d prbly be a back-up singer for those dudes http://www.therichest.org/entertainment/forbes-richest-rappers/
I hear ya C B
I find it a bit ironic that these gentleman who made their fortunes stealing music (rap/hip hop) are some of the biggest critics of free music sharing
really?, I didn’t know that..Ithought they earned it
Tony, I can’t seem to be able to display ur charts…not sure whether the issue is on my end (?)
they’re back
thanks!
Must break upward 2 targets for the indices
http://www.wavegenius.com/2012/11/19/elliott-wave-noon-update-11-19-12-upward-2-min-levels-that-need-to-break-for-the-indices-youtube/
At this point I find myself in consensus with most of the sources I follow. First test in the bullish case is 1404, next – new highs. It would be not very wise taking short positions unless one of the two fails. Happy trading.
*1404, that would b something! so far rallies 40, 40, 30, & today is 40.
morn 1386 pivot time
mornin
Copper behaving nicely today as well
if we r kicking of iii of minor 3 of 3 this is what it should look like. JMHO
+1
Tony you did it again
Cheers
1378.25 is 1.618 ext from abc 1348 ES
Exactly … gap up and go
Hey H D
It’s fired up fo sho
Some similarities between now and year 2000:
Back in 2000 I was negative for the U.S. stock market expecting a major move lower. Most of the people back then laughed at me when I was forecasting more than 60% drop in Nasdaq indices. Now, I also expect a huge move lower next year (though not necessarily as big as the one in 2000-2002 bear market). As already discussed the stock market declined sharply before the election and right after the election. But in 2000 the market found a Short-Term low in mid-November and staged a strong rally for a few weeks. Then of course, the bigger trend lower resumed.
The question now is if the market can stage a similar rebound this year. The market is oversold and the decline from the September’s tops has stayed corrective in nature (though it is strong, this decline has many charachteristics of a corrective move). Plus, we are entering a seasonally positive period for the stock market. So, there are reasons to expect at least a temporary recovery after the severe losses that we have seen for the past two months. Tony’s pivot levels have also been reached, so I guess a low is indeed close.
And on Friday we had a key reversal day: a day when the market declines but then makes an intra-day reversal and closes higher for the day. These patterns are not very reliable though as too many people pay attention to them. But still, it is worth paying attention here. For one thing, I do not think it is time to short the market – it is too late right now, in my opinion.
So, let’s see what happens in the next couple of weeks. Due to the oversold conditions, a rally can occur at any time. The big question is if this rally is going to fail within days, or it will be more sustainable lasting 1-2 months before the larger downtrend resumes.
Enjoy your trading and don’t forget to always:
Trade with the Trend!
Alexander
thx Alexander
As of first trade date November 19, 2012, the trading day on CME Globex for these products will end at 4:15 p.m. CT, and the new trading day will begin at 5:00 p.m. CT.
http://www.cmegroup.com/education/files/faq-eq-hours-and-limits.pdf?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_campaign=CME+Globex+Notices
Tony; Is there any chance (or is it probable) that this is wave 4 up, and wave 5 down is still out there to come? (hope not….)
KO,
The downtrend, thus far, looked corrective.
But yes, there is that possibility
At which SPX-level is that wave 4 out of question or less probable?
SPX 1404
thx HD
Hi Tony, Did I read somewhere on this blog that Bernanke is speaking this week (this wasn’t originally planned perhaps). I may be wrong. Do you know if he is? Cheers, Alex
November 20
Speech–Chairman Ben S. Bernanke
The Economic Recovery and Economic Policy
At the Economic Club of New York, New York, New York
12:15 p.m. ET
Thanks very much – GANN turn date!
Tony,
Can this be a wave IV? Meaning, wave 1 was 667-1219 (2010), wave 2 was 1219-1010 (2010), wave 3 just ended 1010-1474 and wave IV possibly takes us to the low 1200′s without overlapping 1219. Then Wave 5 to new high’s?
Hi Val,
No too many overlaps …
Looking to go long in 6J.
it is moving away from me..not happening..looking for the next play..
Now the Japanese announced at the start of last week, they would no longer limit their purchases to bonds, but widen the framework to include REITs and ETFs, which has done wonders for their market.
Way back, just before QE1 was announced here, the Japanese announced their easing.
…..could it be Ben is going to extend his mandate???
http://www.amateur-investor.net/Weekend_Market_Analysis_Nov_17_2012.htm
another idea, sort of …..but it seems to me everyone is thinking waterfall, black swan events, and your regular zero hedge doom and gloom, so a rally would be most unexpected.
Thanks for all your insights Tony – I keep checking pivots while I am getting thrashed!
We’re due Fiona
Too all of you in here, thanks for a terrific blog !
Hi Tony,
HTG! While looking at the waves, it appears we could be in a triple zig zag. Two are complete and we are in the B wave of zig zag 3. Taken another way…the entire move from the top is 9 waves movements and we are currently in the 8th. Perhaps this goes to the 200 DMA and then we get a final wave down. Do you feel this is a valid way to look at things and if not why not?
Thank You!
Bob,
The declie is not a simple abc so various counts are possible.
Bolderbob, I agree with you if it rises fast and forcefully we should be suspicious of a larger B emerging from the woodwork.
S&P lines and curves
http://markettime.blogspot.ca/2012/11/s-500-november-18-2012.html
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Anything can still happen, but the decline has manifested itself as a very reluctant abc and then a waterfall abc, the latter is the scary part; and could maybe be due to lack of buying or short interest. I sold some positions on Friday even if I knew the EW was favorable, and that tells me that I really feel its ann ugly decline, and bodes well for a rise. But I still have an uneasy feel…which is good !
Its almost uncanny how the market can predict a bad happening (increased risk of something ugly is about to happen, when at inflection points). The Nikkei decline had a very, very possible end to a classic five wave structure just prior to the the nuclear accident.
Yes like Tony says we are at an inflection point or near for it to occur. Nature, mind, and man all interconnected.
Great weekend report Tony.
Much appreciated.
Have a great weekend.
Cheers
Paul
Tony, thanks very much. Great info. Really appreciate it. Taking at ur $nyad chart – still cooperating nicely with your bullish view – no overlap so far..
a surprise speech by Ben during a holiday week? -wow, he’s just gonna stop by, say hello and make sure that everyone fully understands that he’s the reason for this upcoming rally ..precious =)
oops, meant…taking a look at ur $NYAD chart…
wouldn’t you do the same
well, can’t blame him AND he would be telling the truth actually..Ben’s got all the credentials..I only have the initials
monday roadmap for anyone interested:
http://standardpoor.wordpress.com/
Hi Tony,
about FB, wednesday you wrote :
FB has been a contrary stock since its IPO.
Usually the market rallies and FB falls, and via versa.
Still in a downtrendm despite today’s advance.
Which was also odd: rallying with the release of 800 mln shares.
Was quite nice of the market to give those sellers a better price, while the stock market was down over 1%.
In your week end review you are saying that it is uptrending now …
Dou you think it was just a short squeeze or we are in wave three now ?
Thanks
Robert
Hi Robert,
Almost get the feeling some are selling AAPL before the cap gains tax increase, and buying FB. Obviously buyers were waiting for that tranche to be sold. Yes it could be in a third wave, now. Wave two looks like a flat.
Thanks Tony for all your work.
Tony, the probability of a bear market is high now. Don’t you feel that you have already given Major wave 3 long enough rope to accomodate the bull?
With QE 3 still underway, and a possible solution to the FC … no
Tony, being a wave interpretor you just interpret the waves as they occur and that’s what you have always said. Doesn’t it defeat the purpose when you incorporate external scenarios such as QE3 and FC in the mix. This is where I feel your bias colors the picture. If market is truly looking ahead then it already knows what’s next. It’s in no way to question your judgement but being a reader of this blog I can’t help but notice this at times.
The market displays the collective consciousness.
The ingredients of which are vast.
However, certain fundamental indicators/events affect everyone since no one has to read a chart to interpret them. Since these are a major factor in the CC, it is neccessary to observe the markets reactions to them, past and present.
This is an observation based on facts, not a bias.
Oha, I have to look more on this mid-term volume indi.
http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3077/2zrrnrkk_jpg.htm
In the past a buy signal in this indi meant 650-750 points up, but no guarantee for the future.
Thanks, Tony. Great weekend update !!
It looks like the first buyers jumped into the market on friday. IMHO, picking at 1345 has been too easy to be real. So I am not so confident abt the very short term bullish scenario. Your suggested 9.1% decline for a possible interm wave ii may result more accurate.
Have a wonderfull day and see you on monday.
Yes, I am still 75% short (1/2 blue chips; 1/2 tech sector).
cheers Mario
Great report Tony!
I really appreciate the fact that you perform all the calculations for each wave and the parameters for positive and negative outcomes!
Tom B
objectivity removes some of the emotions … cheers!
Thanks Tony and congratulations for this excellent blog!
NDX: Hmm, the pos. divergence still exists, but weakens (long-term volume indi). The NDX need support from DOW, SPX and have to go up now.
http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3077/54382grs_jpg.htm
In the SPX this indi looks not better, but there are signs of a recovering in other indicators on daily basis.
http://s1.directupload.net/file/d/3077/wmv9vtq4_jpg.htm
thx Roland
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