SHORT TERM: market rebound is now a rally, DOW +287
Last night the FED released governor Tarullo’s Senate testimony: http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/testimony/tarullo20120606a.htm. Asian markets were higher and rallied +2.0%. European markets also rallied gaining 2.2%. US index futures were higher overnight, and at 8:30 Productivity was reported lower: -0.9% vs -0.5%. Also the ECB left rates unchanged and took no action at their monthly meeting. The stock market gapped up anyway at the open to SPX 1294 and continued to rally. The SPX has closed at 1286 yesterday. With hardly a 3 point pullback along the way the SPX cleared the OEW 1291 pivot, the 1303 pivot and hit the 1313 pivot range. Around 12:30 the SPX hit 1311 and then began to pullback in anticipation of the FED’s Beige book. At 2:00 the FED released the report: http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/beigebook/beigebook201206.htm. The market hit SPX 1306 and then began to rise again. Heading into the close the SPX hit 1315 and closed there. Quite a strong rally from monday’s low.
For the day the SPX/DOW were +2.35%, and the NDX/NAZ were +2.40%. Bonds lost 24 ticks, Crude gained $1.15, Gold added $1, and the USD was lower. Support for the SPX jumps to the 1313 and 1303 pivots, with resistance now at the 1363 and 1372 pivots. Short term momentum hit extremely overbought. Tomorrow, weekly Jobless claims at 8:30 and then Consumer credit at 3:00. FED chairman Bernanke testifies before the Senate at 10:00.
The market gapped up at the open for the first time since last tuesday. Then the market was rallying into a B wave top. This time it looks more important. At today’s high the SPX hit 1315, 48 points from monday’s low at 1267. This is now the best rally since the decline began in early May at SPX 1415. The DOW also rallied to 200+ points, for its best advance since it was last in an uptrend. The downtrend may have bottomed.
We use two techniques to track the short term waves. One involves point movement and the other moving averages. We have been posting the results of our moving averages on the public charts and commenting about it. This technique offered the SPX [1335] 1299-1320-1267 Minor wave 1-2-3 count. In the mean time we failed to post, or even mention, the results of the point movement: SPX [1335] 1323-1333-1299-1320-1267. This is completely my fault as I neglected to track it in recent days. This count suggests the downtrend zigzag potentially ended at SPX 1267.
The market is also providing an opportunity for an important broader observation. If one reviews the SPX hourly chart over the past few months. They will see a price high at SPX 1422, then a five wave decline: [1422] 1357-1415-1292-1335-1267. But if they review the DOW hourly chart they will observe only a three wave decline from its high: [13339] 12312-12611-12035. A five wave decline usually implies a bear market has begun. While a three wave decline implies only a correction within a bull market. The market will soon show which of these two is the most important index. We believe we already know the answer.
MEDIUM TERM: downtrend may have bottomed
LONG TERM: bull market
Friends, this Erka guy needs to calm down. Maybe have a little bubbly. Maybe a shot of tequila. Wow. I actually feel sorry for his arrogance and over biased brain. It would be quite hard to think with so much air flowing through the skull.
As far as you are concerned Brent, I would love to know what triggered your aggressive comment above when less than 2 hours earlier you actually posted this quite civil and decent following comment: http://caldaro.wordpress.com/2012/06/06/wednesday-update-342/#comment-84689.
I don’t recall having posted in these two hours so what happened in your brain will remain a mystery !
I am very calm Brent but obviously and for unknown reasons, my opinion has generated a lot of anger in the wonderful world of Tony’s blog and has excited a few among his followers. Oh well, you got some issues to work with your respective therapists as there seems to be much anger and turmoil below the peaceful and joyful appearance of the wonderful world of Tony’s blog.
I had not yet read your response to my comment from Tuesday. I regret ever reading it, and I also regret ever having replied. You are too quick for me. I am obviously not a good debater via blog. Good luck in the markets.
1313 SPX thanks lassy
Gold still leading comrade
A=C
C is quite close to A … yesMay need to visit 1303, but looks quite normal
Thanks amicus !
Fed Agrees to Increase Capital Rules for Banks
Lee, what does that mean (cap. rules) – do they need to raise more cap.?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47726367
No QE 3 at the Senate and rightfully squeezing the banks
Lee, thanks very much, appreciate it. Gee, it’s hard to keep up with all that stuff. ! If you could also pull some strings on our behalf and get SPX down to, say 1290 again…that would be sooo nice…you can do that too Lee, right?
) thanks!
spx fut observation: potentially looking at a stricking fractal (price + STO + STO MI indicators) on a monthly and 4-hr range.
– monthly graph is from 1/sept/2002 to 1/jan/2004 and the current wave.
– 4hr is from 4/june/12 to now
if history repeats through fractals i will soon have to drop my fall to 1214 or 1261.
We would only get a 23% retracement from this wave then …
stricking fractal? i have no clue what you’re talking about. hah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal
if you believe in fibonacci (and please dont say you dont know what i am talking about:) ) then this may be of interest although not as easilly exploited
CL keeping everyone honest well as close to honest as possible.
trade small
think big
use stops
have some fun when ur not trading
+1
Thank you Lee for keeping it real
http://ibankcoin.com/chessnwine/files/2012/06/dumpage_1-6.jpg
next support CL 83.98
haaha Thank U Igor
ok SPX just print 1313 already
what is CL? sorry for asking a dumb question I suppose??
Hey Hornet
http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/crude-oil/light-sweet-crude.html
No way …..I use to think it was Colgate Palmolive
Light sweet oil futures
ah okay thanks, I too looked up a chart for Colgate Palmolive – that of course didn’t make much sense – so thanks!!
Silver closed below yesterday’s lows on MCX India. Went short with yesterday’s high as a stop loss
Btw I now expect silver to retest the May lows this month. Fingers crossed
Thanks TMI
cmparis says:
June 7, 2012 at 11:10 am
Got into silver here – AGQ.
Think it will move up from here
the moronic investor says:
June 7, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Silver closed below yesterday’s lows on MCX India. Went short with yesterday’s high as a stop loss
Now that I call a market!
Good luck guys!
can I get in between that trade guys ?
+1
It’s easy Lee, just get a MM seat
Thanks Igor – Stop in below today’s low. Think we are at a critical point.
Any more downward movement and I think TMI is correct with his call on another test.
(But he isn’t)
for very strong believers there is also USLV (3x) fwiw
Anyone seen Erka…???
PERHAPS ..erka will come back and become an optimist in life!!
I am not a pessimist, I just call it the way I see it and what I see coming in Europe, where I live, is not pretty. Now being in the US I presume, you probably have a different perspective that prompts you to be more optimistic about the future. Good for you, as I said in one of my previous post, I hope you are right and that I am wrong.
Hey Erkall
And that’s Tony and Prechters fault ?
U only came back to post cause SPX is offered now IMO
Peace
Erka11, you need to see the positive in this. The world is heading for some kind of crash in the next couple of years. Which, if you have read any previous posts by Tony and other Elliott wavers, is coming next year’ish. Hell, it might be playing out now. BUT!…and an important but, the world is going to recover and there is going to be a huge move into equities. That’s how things have worked from the beginning time. CYCLES. Fo
What differentiates the best traders/investors is their ability to keep their calm in the worst of situations. Look for the positives buddy.
Brent
What a twisted mind Lee, why would I come back to post when SP is offered ? To make what kind of point ? I was just perusing the blog coming back from a round of golf and saw Rocky’s comment to which I simply offered a calm and posed reply
No need to offer me peace, we are not at war. At least I am not, but it seems that some of you are very quick to mount on your high horses wearing an armor of decency and bearing a shield of rectitude to combat any post containing an opinion that differs from yours. I didn’t know this blog was such a place of rectitude and morality that shook to its core when threatened by a inconsequential but different point of view, as frivolous as it may be !
I think 1318 was the end of the pullback. Still looking for one more move higher. My target remains 1345. If we drop below 1318, 1329 looks like the top.
Steve
“which” top…?
The 5 wave sequence from 1267. Would expect a further pullback. Still think we go higher.
Steve
jaja2121, In order to understand if more QE3 is on the table just observe the chart of Gold.From today’s action seems unlikely.The other tool could be extension or modification of Twist which looks more likely.
Tony, would you have some fib projections ?
Too early Mario,But mid-1500′s still looks good for the bull.
Tony, What would you expect AFTER the bull (2014-15)… a deep depression and back to the 666 lows ?
Another recession and back to the Jly09 lows.
there can be very very long term I H&S with 2002 low LS 2009 low H and tony’s next bear (loosing 50% of last upmove) in 2014-16 as RS. Year wise also spacing can be almost equal .. 6-7 yrs both sides of head. Then when necklne joining current all times highes break then multi year secular bull starts. Of course this is no useful for trading at all and may be not useful even for investment ! just for fun.
Like this? http://investing.money.msn.com/investments/stock-charts/?showchartbt=Redraw+chart&compsyms=&D4=1&DD=1&D5=0&DCS=2&MA0=0&MA1=0&CP=1&C5=1&C5D=1&C6=1966&C7=1&C7D=1&C8=1983&C9=-1&CF=0&D7=&D6=&PT=11&symbol=us%3Aindu&SZ=0&nocookie=1
wow tony! so you already patented it !? my life dosen’t go that past so I was not aware same happened last time !!!
just know the history
Tony
Do you really think we are going to get QE3 in the near term? Didnt you write a report recently suggesting QE only active when PCE gets close/below 1%? I see it no where near those levels.
PCE yearly rate of change near 3%.PCE has declined and flattened out at 3.8%.This suggests it is probably heading lower.When they consider the PCE decline, the decline in GDP, and the weakening employment growth.Think some sort of monetary action is warranted.Market seems to think so too.
Historic lows in 10Y, you can get a 5 year arm for near 3%.
Its not clear that injecting more liquidity is helpful, when there is a glut of it already sloshing around the system. If the sole goal is to please wall street and hedge funds, i understand. But theres tremendous slack in the system, no?
>>If the sole goal is to please wall street and hedge funds, i understand.
Or anybody who owns any equities or other financial assets. Don’t think you need to be a bank or hedge fund to watch your 401k go higher
Today really isn’t very encouraging for precious metal bulls. Expected a little bit if a retrace but this is much more than I expected.
Thanks Ryan
Lee,
Keep bringing the laughs here. It is about the only thing that keeps this market from feeling like the movie Groundhog Day. Getting the feeling I could go on at least a one month hiatus and not miss a damn thing.
Got into silver here – AGQ.
Think it will move up from here
Charlie
Obviously…lol.
Where are u guys adding to longs in GC today ? Thanks
really decent Volume in GC last 30 minutes
IMHO We started a discouraged sale phase I wrote a couple of weeks ago. Can last 2-3 days.
Thanks Igor !
resting open order to buy GC @ 1554
that low? porque?
scene of the crime
take pictures next time
hahahaha
Guys, just an option. Nothing to take away from Tony’s analysis. Enjoy ur summer.
http://flic.kr/p/bUZnce
thanks HD … enjoy your holiday!
H D
U better be back sooner than that..get some eyeball rest
Hi HD,
I thought about a potential flat you labeled. My problem with it is that wave b is faster than wave a, doesn’t fit into the market logic. I could be wrong.
Tony, I just wanted to thank you on your advice on HAL. I’m going to wait until we see an upward trend to get in.
Thanks for all your insights!
Ok like I said…Ill see yas later !
Morning all.
Like I said yesterday no QE3.
Hope everyone understood the psychology.
The Market Fools the Majority “at the Most Important Times”
thx MT
Morn all
CL hit the R2 @ 87.03 exactly
Congrats guys on ur longs in SPX !
Im looking for a “little” pull back here
Morning!
Got 5 small waves in the SPX from 1267. A pullback has started that Lee was looking for. Whether it is impulse or zigzag I think there is a good potential long trade after the end of this correction based on the wave structure.
I will post less in the coming days, Euro 2012 will start tomorrow.
enjoy Igor!
Thank you Tony, I will
Thx Igor !
S1 hit @ 84.76
in CLN
Guys these pivots + volatility is why I mention em here..
99% retrace in CL
pit high to Globex low
#never chase
Anybody got a good sense for where this wave might pause and take a breather? Right here look about right for a 10pt pullback?
Ben thought so too
hah right on cue
Maybe a little more than 10? Possible inverse head and shoulders forming…
The news from China is positive, but it also shows how dire a situation we are in.
I’m still neutral until we see a good rise above 1340.
The market just rallied 1267-1329 … 62 points straight up with nothing more than a 7 point pullback along the way.It’s quite overbought and a day or two of consolidation would make sense.
sounds good to me. anybody want to wager on 1310 or 1300 as the right shoulder of our soon to be inverse head and shoulders setup…?
1299 would setup a nice one from 1335
a pull back into early week next week in line with the Bradley Indicator 12/6. i would look to get long there (maybe monday).
Well, 1329 – 0.612*(62) = 1291 –> that number looks very familiar, though I don’t know if we’ll fall quite that far, though I’m sure people who still own shorts would love to see it??
thanks Hornet
This breather is actually a good thing.
On another note. Do the people in the congressional committee have any idea of what is going on in the world? Man, some of them have no clue about anything. Or they just end up sounding extremely naive in their questioning.
No clue, just politicans
=)
Honestly, I still don’t see heavy short covering yet
Already happened Mario
Mario
Whistling past the grave yard ! I like it !
Lee, it was all explained with enogh time. Thinking abt all the rest that don’t have the chance to read this blog
Mario
???
wave 4 ?
Tony, I still think there are more heavy shorters with open positions.
Just passing along what I heard
Looking at UCO this am/open – Comments requested…
Obvious ABC Pivots I laid out yesterday. We alerted to go long Tuesday afternoon BGU at 63.10 at my TMTF service which is working out (300% long Large caps). The upside objectives are standard 1326, 1344, 1361 on what should be a wave 2 up or B wave up rally from a 5 wave decline. Thats when the rubber meets the road and we will find out if BEAR or continuing BULL
I’m leaning to BEAR due to the 5 waves and the world indices as they are…. only so much that any QE can do at this point…..
Best
We’ll be best off with no QE. The economy has been gaining traction – albeit slowly – regardless of the media fear mongers and will likely continue and possibly even pick up the pace later this year and next. Had a once in a lifetime panic in ’08-’09. Would be an historical first for a repeat over the current saeculum.
Tommy, Think we need QE 3 to help get Europe out of its mess.At least for the time being.It’s our turn: QE 1, LTRO 1, QE 2, LTRO 2 … QE 3. A big stock market rally here would overflow into big rallies there.
Tony,
Possibly of course but I think the markets just want to be left alone. There is effecticvely a chronic stealth QE in action regardless. I like to flip the media’s questions and ask them in reverse… “What if Greece defaults?” – What if they don’t? / “What if Germany won’t bail out?” – What if they do ? / “What if Real Estate keeps spiraling down? – What if it doesn’t? Seems the world is full of posturing for agenda yet the right thing is generally done at the eleventh hour. I bet things work themselves out with no QE as “things” are no where near as dire as the media has spun them. If we get one however – wonderful!
Bull markets climb the wall of worry.But they need a push every now and then.2009 – 2010 – 2011 – 2012?
Tommy,
I have a pretty good call into many of the largest institutional equity and credit money managers in the US, as well as the dealers, and I can safely tell you that they do *not* want the market to be left alone. Aside from the HFs, most are long-only. And they’ve also experienced large outflows from their product over the last couple years. So they’ve been stuck with poor relative returns and diminishing AUM. That’s not how you get paid in this business.
They want stocks to go up, whatever it takes. I’m not saying QE is a good thing; that will be a debate for economists 20 years from now. But for those who get paid to play, they want things to go up.
Hey Dave
What made you change from a Bull to a Bear overnight. I remember you leaning toward Bull side yesterday
S
The $NYSI – McClellen Summation Index has been in a decline mode
for sometime now, last few days, it has seen a low, and begun raising.
Thought the last low, of Oct 4, 2011 was interesting, as it was plotted at
the “same level”…if the market is truly Bullish – we could have a long way
up, to go, especially after the 13th…..Bud
thanks Bud
Sigh
again
Tony I wished I had reviewed your SPY daily chart a couple of days ago and the GLARING divergence in price vs. the RSI 5 – all I can do now is hope for a pull back to enter some longs to start investing
Big divergences in many markets.
Yup’s (as my 4 year old would say) I see them now…….. argh
Thank you
So far, the characteristics of this wave have been extremely bullish. My optimum target is now 1345, with the minimum at 1333, and the maximum substantially higher. I look for an openig move to 1324, a slight pullback, and then another rise near 1345. If I am wrong, a move below 1306 would most likely mean the 5 wave sequence from 1267 has terminated.
Steve
http://5wavemodel.blogspot.com/
ES hourly… wave 3 extended = 2.618 x wave 1 — wave 4 most likely will retrace 23.6% (1307)
update: wave 3 extended 300%! of wave 1 — wave 4 retrace targets: 1313 (23.6%) or 1304 (38.2%)
thanks Nadir
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Hi Tony. I think you are right on two counts. First, while the wave count for the SPX could point in either direction at this point, the DOW is in a formation that points one way. I have posted a couple of times that although I do not follow the DJIA as closely, it seemed (using my model, not EW ), that it was forming an irregular wave from 13297. Second, that formation is an irregular corrective wave.
Cheers,
Steve
thanks 5wave
Upward .618 Retracement Levels for DOW SPX NASDAQ NDX
http://www.wavegenius.com/2012/06/06/elliott-wave-forecast-video-for-6-07-12-upward-618-targets-for-dow-spx-nasdaq-ndx-youtube/
well, my timing was not to bad for this low, at little off the mark, yes.
decline coming Thurs, and looking for a low, near the 13th – could be in the 1291 pivot
area…..the very critical time frame could be nearer the end of June +/- 5 trading days.
rally into mid-Aug would be sweet.
color me a bear after mid – August …..I have summer 1987 high, on my mind….
just saw ur new avatar, Lee – aww..what a lovable dog….great eyes…and looks like an avid listener too…the perfect conversationalist for you Lee…and the family looks super happy as well…happiness is….nice Lee! thanks for showing us ur new baby!
Hey C B
That pic is from1995
that was my 1 st basset with some spinster and a neighborhood thug
I’m still dog less but front row on a used 2004 French Basset
But thanks for the good vibes !
WE(I) can’t wait !
Haha…thanks Lee! I should’ve known as much as I tend to look at eyewear –the frames have gotten so much smaller & lighter over the yrs…anyways, glad to see such happy faces….So, viva Le French basset!!… Bassets look so noble & devoted !! U know ur so happy & anxious now that it’s contagious……. Oh, and happy B’day to you sweet sixteen, sometime this month, in case ur out and about with ur dog then
and more things to think about
Ignoring the SMall Cap index 5 wave decline , ignoring the clear hard drop in the German DAX, and ignoring the 5 wave SP 500 decline all in favor of the DOW…. is kind of pushing on a string against alot of topping evidence here and around the world.
Just more things to think over gang… no offense intended
Thanks for the input Dave! We shall know shortly (no pun intended) whether or not, at least in this round, one is the whipping boy (snap) of the other.
DOW and SP 500 on charts over 2 years. They are the same, so you should respect the 500 stocks that make up the E wave 5 wave decline from 1422 to 1267… as bearish… or potentially very bearish…. espeically given DAX and foreign markets
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SPY&t=2y&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=dia
D
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9314065/The-euros-guilty-men-are-now-steering-Europe-to-catastrophe.html
Good stuff Tony.
………..long Bassets x
Brave/Strong comment Tony – a Super Person….Congrats…
Was there not suppose to be a Moodys downgrade of banks A.H.?
Guys,this point of mine is more psychological than technical.Why do you think we are having such a strong rally today? Its because there will be no QE3 hint tomorrow in the testimony and we will sell off.My interpretation is no new news tomorrow,so market rallys today to compensate .
Its another pattern playing consistently this year.
also, consider the hopes that europe will sort out spanish banks … bigger mess of money than Greece.
Last time we had a gap after crawling up for several days. Then we had an island top. This time we had a gap and kept running, even jumping resistance. I think its different, but I do expect a backtest of the falling down channel line soon.
Some of the short term indicators I follow based on market sectors turned up today. Hopefully it will last.
http://marketsectormodel.blogspot.com/
Dow vs. SP 500 chart…. potatoe, Potato guys
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=1y&s=SPY&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=dia&ql=1
thats why I use SP 500 for my forecasts, and TONY you’ll note always uses SP 500 in the nightly updates…
500 stocks vs. 30… I think you get better representation of the market and more spread out amongst various companies and industries
Tony welcome to beat me back down…lol
Tony is right on that DOW… you cant make 5 waves out of it…. but the 3 waves from the high are odd shaped for sure, where C is much shorter than A …. so its a conundrum for sure here.
SPX clear 5 waves, DOW not so much…
Going to be fun…I prefer a BULL… so I hope the DOW rules!
Tony, as you can imagine I am very happy with this rally. You know how much I was expecting it and what I am expecting now. So I feel there are still plenty of shorters with open positions yet. (Maybe some big names and large players).
GL
Congrats – M1….
Thx…now, I am preparing the plan for tomorrow
Thanks Tony !
“We believe we already know the answer”
Are u saying that SPX is DJIA whipping boy ?
Hey Tony
U called it on SPU 6.5 discount
sorry guys for the carpet bombing posts today.
I cant wait to get a new /old Dog to talk to and kick …..jk
lol, Lee!…”carpet bombing”… I think the real “you dropped a bomb on me” will be by Dr Bernankeee tomorrow…gee it even rhymes…when he starts talking about being “fiscally responsible”..nothing too dramatic – just get us out of this extremely OB pls… per Bloomberg they have 2 dissenters to qe3 right now…fisher and someone else…good luck with ur pet adoption Lee!
and +1 on Tony’s great work …I wouldn’t have a clue where we are in the markets without Tony’s big picture….plus an enormous amount of charts that are so helpful…Thank you, Tony!
Thanks C B !
Sort of.Traders whip the SPX, but the DOW is the market.
Tony I like that
reminds me of The rooster may crow but the hen delivers the goods
Speaking of goods.Think Kelly Breen will be in the winners circle, for the second year in a row, at the end of the Belmont.
talk about a full service blog !
I will tell “my guy”
Especially if its comes up sloppy again
I like the SP 500 for my work, and TONY the DOW….we both agree to disagree on why. My Sp 500 is a clear 5 waves as Tony did finally point out today, its pretty obvious. That is bearish, well at least intermediately
That said, I have this now as an A wave, then B, then C to 1361 max…. then a 5 wave decline to 1207-1220 that I’m fooling with a bit…. that is the BULLISH case… so lets hope it works out.
A bearish case is 155 points (5 waves from 1422-1267) then the ABC wave 2 up, then a 3rd wave…. 155 x 161%…. from 1361… ouch…
but for now lets take it one week at a time
http://chart.ly/4l5jonn
Good stuff Tony… DOW vs. SP 500…. a death match in a cage!
Thanks, Tony!
I’ll get 100% long should the Q’s trade above the 5/29 high @ $63.15 and hold there for more than a minute or two.
Assuming I get 100% long, and assuming this rally is the beginning of the next bull swing, I will get 200% long on the first 2-3 day pullback (or 1 day mini-panic).
I love watching Mr. Market as he scurries up the wall of worry.
For THE answer. Can I have a D please?
I am not 100% sure I understand the wave B top, could you elaborate?
I hedged my long positions today, in case we get a gap fill (wave 2?) retracement tomorrow.
That last time we had a gap up opening the market topped at 1335 and started this last decline.
http://standardpoor.wordpress.com
looks good to me. go bulls!