weekend update

REVIEW

A nasty week in most of the world’s stock markets as the current downtrend extended. The SPX/DOW lost 3.9%, the biggest weekly drop since November, and the NDX/NAZ lost 5.3%. Asian markets were -4.0%, European markets were -5.0%, and the DJ World index lost 5.4%. Economic reports for the week were mixed with negatives edging out positives 7 to 6. On the uptick: the NY FED, the NAHB, housing starts, industrial production, capacity utilization, and the WLEI. On the downtick: retail sales, the CPI, business inventories, building permits, the Philly FED, leading indicators, and jobless claims rose. Next week we will get a look at more housing data, durable goods orders and consumer sentiment. Best to your week!

LONG TERM: bull market

Despite the US market doubling between 2009 and 2011, and making new highs in 2012, this has not been a steady uptrending bull market. Unlike the steady 2002-2007 bull market, see weekly chart below, this one has run into four straight spring swoons to the downside in the past four years. The first one started at the end of the first bull market uptrend, in June 2009. It ended with a 9.1% correction. The second started with the conclusion of Major wave 1 of Primary I, in April 2010. It ended with a 17% correction. The third one started at the conclusion of Primary I, May 2011. It ended with a 22% correction. This fourth one started this April, and has thus far corrected 9.1%. Notice the Jun09 correction was also 9.1%, as was the Jan10 correction. In fact, the 9.1% correction level has marked the end of two of this bull market’s six corrections. The other two, not mentioned, were the Feb11 7.4% and Oct11 10.4% corrections. These are noted on the weekly chart.

Our long term count from the Mar09 bear market low at SPX 667 remains unchanged. We counted five Major waves up to SPX 1370 in May11, ending Primary wave I. Then an elongated flat to SPX 1075 into Oct11, ending Primary wave II. Primary wave III has been underway since then. After this week’s market action, however, our Primary wave III count has come under some pressure. The slight dip on friday to SPX 1292 momentarily overlapped the previous uptrend high of 1293. On thursday we considered this possibility when we noted there were a few additional potential counts if it occurred.

MEDIUM TERM: downtrending

Currently we are maintaining the Major 1-2-3-4 count posted on the daily chart below. Should the DOW overlap its previous uptrend as well, remember the DOW is the bellwether, then the count will likely require adjustment.

The first alternate count is the most obvious. Primary wave II ended in Oct11 at SPX 1075. Then Major wave 1 and 2 ended at SPX 1293 and 1159 respectively, and the recent uptrend was Intermediate wave i of Major 3 ending at 1422. Intermediate wave ii would be under way now. This would suggest a, worse case, decline into the SPX 1202-1267 area.

The second alternate count is suggested by the bellwether DOW. Again Primary wave II ended in Oct11. Then the market rallied five waves up from that low, in Intermediate waves (i-ii-iii-iv-v), to complete Major wave 1 of Primary III. Remember the DOW had five trend changes, waves, from the Primary II low into its May12 high. This would suggest a, worse case, decline into the DOW 11,232-12,284 and SPX 1159-1293 area.

The third alternative, and least preferred, suggests only Major wave A of Primary II completed in Oct11 at SPX 1075. The advance from that low was an abc Major wave B of Primary II. Major wave C would now be underway to retest that low, and complete Primary II. This would suggest a, worse case, decline into the SPX 1075-1100 area or lower. Certainly this is the worse case scenario.

Keep in mind the overlap that would trigger one of these three alternate counts has not occurred yet. If it does, and considering the current state of the foreign and commodity markets, we would place a 40% probability on each of the first two counts and a 20% probability on the last count. This has been an historically difficult bull market. Should this correction extend into June, we would prefer the DOW count. During this bull market corrections to Major waves or larger have taken from 1 – 5 months, while smaller waves have only taken one month. These charts are all posted at the very end, page 17, of the public stockcharts … link below.

SHORT TERM

Support for the SPX is at the 1291 and 1261 OEW pivots, with resistance at the 1303 and 1313 pivots. Short term momentum is starting to display a positive divergence. The short term OEW charts remain on a negative bias from SPX 1395, with the positive swing level now in the mid 1330′s.

This correction, needless to state, has declined slightly more than our SPX 1300 – 1340 general range, and much more than our SPX 1313 – 1327 expected range. Medium and long term momentum is now at its lowest level since August 2011. The last time the market had this type of selling pressure (2011) it rallied over 100 SPX points in just six trading days. The two previous times, during this bull market, it rallied 90 points in 6 trading days (2010), and 100+ points in 8 trading days (2009).

Remaining with our posted count. It appears this correction has an Intermediate wave A flat followed by an Intermediate wave C zigzag. The wave relationships from the SPX 1422 uptrend high are displaying some equality. Minor a of Int. A dropped 65 points, SPX 1422-1357. Now Minor A and C of Int. C have declined 72 and 74 points respectively. In fact, the total decline for Int. C = 2 x Int. A between SPX 1285 and 1289.

When examining the internal wave structure of the declines we find Minor a of Int. A was a simple 7 waves, and Minor a of Int. C was also a simple 7 waves. Minor c of Int C, however, has recently extended to 13 waves. This is an incomplete corrective wave and needs at least one more small rally and decline. The SPX 1285-1289 area would fit quite nicely for a low.

From a fibonacci perspective SPX 1291 represents a 50% retracement of the entire uptrend from 1159-1422. The next retracement support would be the 61.8% level or SPX 1259. Both of these levels are at the support pivots: 1291 and 1261. Heading into next week, if the OEW 1291 pivot range, (SPX 1284-1298), does not hold the market is likely heading toward the 61.8% retracement level at the 1261 pivot range. Best to your trading!

FOREIGN MARKETS

The Asian markets were all lower on the week losing 4.0%. Only China, of the 8 indices we track, remains in an uptrend.

The European markets were also all lower on the week losing 5.0%. All 7 indices we track are in downtrends.

The Commodity equity group all fell as well losing 7.8% on the week. All 3 indices we track are in downtrends.

The DJ World index continues to downtrend and lost 5.4% on the week.

COMMODITIES

Bonds continue to uptrend, gaining 0.6%, as the 10yr Bond made a new all time high. Ten year yields are near all time lows of 1.696%. The 30yr is approaching 2011 levels 2.694%.

Crude continues to downtrend, losing 4.4% on the week. The recent market action here looks quite similar to the spring of 2009, 2010, and 2011. Those declines were 21%, 23% and 34% respectively as noted on the weekly chart, page 9. The current decline is 18%.

Gold had a wild week. After being down over $50 it rallied to end the week with a 0.6% gain. The downtrend may have bottomed at wednesday’s $1527 low, after hitting its most oversold medium and long term level since 2008.

The USD continues to uptrend gaining 1.3% on the week. The downtrending EUR lost 1.1%, while the uptrending JPY gained 1.2%.

NEXT WEEK

A light calendar ahead, economically, kicks off on tuesday with Existing home sales. On  wednesday New home sales and the FHFA housing index will be reported. Thursday weekly Jobless claims and Durable goods orders. Then on friday Consumer sentiment. The FED has nothing scheduled ahead of the Memorial day holiday next monday. Best to your weekend and week!

CHARTS: http://stockcharts.com/public/1269446/tenpp

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170 Responses to weekend update

  1. rc1269 says:

    looks like that’s it for the correction. the DAX put in a nice morning star candle formation right at it’s 50% retrace from the november low. SPX nearly put in a 50% retracement at 1291.
    i should have assumed that if breaking 1293 is what it would take to change minds, then that would be the low. seems like that has been the MO of this market for a while. just like the Dow going just high enough to make folks feel like it wasn’t still a B wave and that wave 5 up had started. only to sell off again and make lower lows.

    wait until confirmation of a direction – then do the opposite.

  2. rc1269 says:

    1313 short covering boost into the close?

  3. Lee X says:

    Lat hour and 1313 ..what u guys think ?
    Thanks

    • pbnj123 says:

      I would think this rally would put out “This is an incomplete corrective wave and needs at least one more small rally and decline. The SPX 1285-1289 area would fit quite nicely for a low” but I am not certain – still trying to get my head around this stuff and my head hurts right now ;-)

    • rc1269 says:

      the question becomes, is 25 points a “small rally”…?

      • I think given all the NON Elliott wave bottom signals last Friday (Mcl. Osc.; NYSE stocks below 50 day MA, sentiment readings etc) and given the 38% retrace of 1-3 at 1292… and given the 50% retrace of 1158-1422, and given the put to call ratio, and given the margin induced selling panic, and also the 34 fibonacci trading days cycle on Friday…. I think we can call a bottom of wave 4

      • ewp4ever says:

        HOOOOOORAY!!!!!!!

      • pbnj123 says:

        That is exactly my question – is this still a down trend with todays counter trend rally only to be followed by continued down side action????

      • vmahambare says:

        1415-1291 declines .382 is almost 45 points. so even after 45 points this can be still 4th of downtrend.
        1422-1357 = 1 (65)
        1357-1415 = 2
        1415 – 1291 = 3 (124 ..amlost 2.0 of 1)
        last time when we were going from 1358 to 1415 that time also david said no C will come ever. of ocurse I am not saying he is wrong this time. anybody can be right or wrong. just trying to say even 45 points rally will be just 0.382 of last down.
        I follow Andre Gratian, Ramki, Pring KST and Cobra along with Tony. So I call then best 5! And all most all looking for more down.

      • vmahambare says:

        Wanted to add to last post itself. The best 5 have all different in their own.
        Tony – OEW
        Ramki – more traditonal EW
        Cobra – almost pure technical, no wave count
        Andre G – technical, cycles, P&F ( I have found his P&F is just amazing)
        Pring KST – I just follow weekly KST which is free on his site. and if intermediate weekly KST is sell then almost never ever it not closed much lower. Right now SPY IWM HYG GDX everything is intermediate KST sell. Some are long term KST sell too. (Again weekly only )

    • CB says:

      1306 looked solid, then 1309ish was not a solid low, so imho we go back there to re-test, ; why? cause that’s where I want to buy again. Think though that mr market says: on a good day you go at least to R1. So it’s me who has a problem, I guess.

    • CB says:

      Ok, Lee we’ve heard what ppl are thinking…now could you kindly tell us what the doers are doing?

  4. rj2212 says:

    Line in the sand. Looks like this rally is running out of steam in the short term.

  5. H D says:

    60 min RSI has R here and 1313 pivot.

  6. H D says:

    Looks like everyone that sold AAPL for FB changed their mind.

  7. Go BULLS!
    I did an interview this morning in pre market with Wall Street Window (Mike Swanson). We go over my two recent charts and where we may be… for those with any interest.

    Good luck gang
    http://wallstreetwindow.com/node/6021

  8. rc1269 says:

    Would make sense that we’d selloff just enough to overlap Wave 1 and get everyone assuming the structure was different, only to prove that it isn’t.

  9. H D says:

    FB – duh! :shock: Suspect buyers will ride it back to $38 if $33 holds. and then…..

    • Lee X says:

      Hey H D !
      and then buy more ?

      • H D says:

        It’s a feeding frenzy for the sharks IMO. Lee, not happy about the new hours for grains. That squeeze was a direct result IMO. I can’t watch 3 things at the same time. Wish I could.

      • Lee X says:

        H D
        I think u are correct sir.
        Heres a training video to teach u to multi task

      • Lee X says:

        excuse the title.. I think they’re cute

    • CB says:

      haha…hi HD..yeah, shareholders not too impressed…after all the guy’s first order of business was to call the preacher man on Sat…

      • tony caldaro says:

        What a week for those two.She graduates with her doctorate on monday, company goes public friday, and they marry saturday. Lee was probably there ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MneA9pgLVw

      • tommyboys says:

        Under Cali law its all community property AFTER the vows. Anything before is “leave as you came”. If they had IPOd Monday she would be entitled to half his worth. Now not so much! Strategic planning…

      • tony caldaro says:

        He still owns 53% of the company. Make that 26.5% now.

      • tommyboys says:

        Tony,
        No. What I understand is that community property is only for assets acquired AFTER the vows. Everything B4 remains with the party that brought them. He’s protected due to the timing of it all.

      • CB says:

        yea, interesting research,Tommyboys…from what little I read about him and from watching that movie I was kinda disgusted by him…I think he was brought up to think “it’s all about me, me, me” ..obviously he’s gonna protect his money….hopefully she can protect herself if she need to..

      • tony caldaro says:

        A negatively oriented individual mind/body/spirit complex will ordinarily program for wealth, ease of existence, and the utmost opportunity for power.

      • CB says:

        yup,Tony right (again) :) … love and power are two different things…he couldn’t get much love so he got (more) power …with all that money and power I doubt whether he’ll ever learn what his real problem is

  10. Lee X says:

    Morn all

    Tony had the moves before he knew the waves.
    Good Times !

  11. An entire slew of NON Elliott wave indicators I use are screaming bottom…. so that means we have to be close

    Then its a matter of whether 5 waves peaked at 1422 from March 2009 or was that just wave 3 since October… and we just had a nasty wave 4?? We should know very shortly.

  12. Good work Tony. You are one of the most consistent EW analysts. I appreciate that.

  13. ewp4ever says:

    Hi Tony, I have another question. For one of your alternatives (5th chart, top to bottom), you put down “major a” at 1074.77, “major b” at 1422.38. My understanding is you count major a as 5 waves down and major b as 3 waves up. My question is, for a correct like major b, can the end of major b pass the starting point of major a? because for the 3w correction after 5w impulsive, 3w’s ending point is not supposed to pass the starting point of the 5w, right? I am little confused. Thanks in advance.
    E4E

  14. tony caldaro says:

    R.I.P Robin

    One of the coolest groups of all time!

  15. fionamargaret says:

    http://stocktiger.net/newsletters/news210512.php
    Another way of looking at the same data.

    Thanks Tony for great analysis and everyone’s input – love the comrade thingy – x

  16. ewp4ever says:

    Hi Tony, have you noticed that in SPX weekly chart (5 years), actually last friday’s low is the the APEX of triangle made of 2011 summer SHS? I do not know how to load up charts… :(

    • tony caldaro says:

      Typical Secular bear cycle formation?

    • ewp4ever says:

      There are so many coincidence for me to be bullish, such as:

      1. apex of the triangle formed by 2011 summer SHS pattern
      2. 38.2% FIB of the bullish run since 10/2011
      3. week SMA(50) is 1282, daily SMA(200) is 1278
      4. daily chart RSI is oversold (1st time since 10/2011)
      5. 1292.66 could serve as a support
      6. recent SHS target price (~1294) reached

      The only concern is last Friday, wave-4 briefly entered wave-1 zone.

      • ewp4ever says:

        Instead of bullish, maybe it is more appropriate to say we may bottom out in near future.

      • tony caldaro says:

        Secular bear cycles tend to be long term choppy affairs.
        Check out 1966-1982

      • ewp4ever says:

        Got it. Thanks.

      • budfox9450 says:

        What if you looked at the Morgan Stanley Cyclical Index? $CYC.
        You would see, the CYC crest was Mar 19th, vs SP500 Apr 2nd.
        And, you would a relationship of the 4/10 low, look at both indices.
        It will show the $CYC index is much weaker, vs the SP500…interesting
        observation to check out…

      • ewp4ever says:

        Hi BUD, thanks for your comments. Honestly I am not very familiar with $CYC but I checked on it and found so far, this indice is still in its uptrend channel.

        E4E

  17. I see Tony has kept his impulsive count from the last year’s low and from the Mar 2009 low. But now I think it is time to revise this count. Why? Because the speed of the current decline is fast enough to confirm the entire upmove from December 2011 low is over (I know many of you do not follow this rule, but this is one of the important rules in confirming a trend change under the Neely modification of wave theory). My ideal scenario is for a move lower twd 1257 in June/July followed by one final rally twd 1400 by the end of the year and then a bigger decline twd 900 in 2013 and 2014. I guess most of you remember my chart, so there is no need to post it again as it remains unchanged.
    Regards,
    Alexander

    • nrh1 says:

      Alexander I did not see your chart before but your count fits with the cycles I am following. Would you mind posting your chart again. Also any thoughts for the short term. Tia

    • ewp4ever says:

      Hi Alex, nice analysis. I agree with you about the big picture. We are in a corrective mode since 2009. But I am not so confident about your 1400 rally because in my opinion, it could pass recent high 1422 to end the correction started since 2009. And in short term, I am kinda bullish for the rest of 2012. Thanks for sharing… :)

      • I may consider going bullish as well in July or August after S&P500 reaches 1257/1200 area and spends some time building a base. But the subsequent rally will likely terminate somewhere between 1380 and 1450. That’s my view. Thanks.

  18. budfox9450 says:

    Tony…..I know your equity selection is limited. I wish, you can select.
    In your view, the best equity investments. As, I look at them very carefully.
    Best wishes, from west central, Florida….

    • tony caldaro says:

      Hi Bud, That’s a tough call these days.Individual stocks are getting beat up every day on a regular basis.If one compares just about any stock to AAPL’s 60% growth rate and PE of 13, most are overvalued.

      • budfox9450 says:

        Tony, I know your doing the best you can. Wish to say,
        I appreciate your efforts. Yes, I know this is a difficult time
        for the Bull market investor, understand that….All my best.

  19. thiesmoscow says:

    Dear Tony and friends from OEW working group,

    although I am a long time reader of your blog I am not very common neither with OEW or EW theory. Never the less I was always impressed by the deepness and clarity of analysis.

    As I recently recognized, you changed your sentiment for the Russian stock market from a more bullish outlook to a more bearish. As I understand the most important change lies in the fact that you reassessed the crash 2008/09 from a SC2 or Cycle2 to a Cycle A, which was followed by a Cycle B in 2011. So we are now on the way to Cycle C, which will obviously much lower from now.

    Can you please elaborate which facts brought you towards this reassessment. Thank you.

    If I understand correctly, this brings the RTS close to markets like the Japanese Nikkei, the Italian MIB and the Spanish Ibex (although a degree less). In the case of Japan you have a long time-target of 4.400 points. Is this the target for the Cycle C? And would you be able to put a number for the RTS into the sand?

    Last but not least question: Are there any other markets which are under fire and might become candidates for a downgrading similar to the situation in Russia.

    And last question: The RTS is an index denominated in USD, so probably you have the OEW of the Dollar-Index within. Shouldn’t it be better to analyze the market in rouble terms? (Can send a chart to you, if you wish).

    All the best for you and your comrades in the working group.

    Thies

    • budfox9450 says:

      Great questions….

    • tony caldaro says:

      Welcome Thies, Correct. We had been concerned about the wave structure since the 2009 low to 2010.At first it started off quite nicely and was counted as a possible 5 up, despite the 7 wave structure.Then the advance from 2010-2011 was definitely corrective. After it was fully retraced we allowed for another potentially 5 waves up. But despite the 2012 rally the long term money flow, our smart $$$ indicator, remained negative from 2011.Having failed to impulse from 2009-2011 we must assume it was a bear market rally. The main reason for the change. A retest of the 2009 is likely in the next few years. Correct again. Our long term view of Japan is that it has been in a Secular bear cycle since 1989.Every bull market, since then, has been corrective.When we did our fibonacci wave relationships for the wave structure we arrived at 4400.Italy, France and the STOX 50 have been in a Secular bear cycle since 2000.Spain and China peaked in 2007, and have had a negative long term money flow since then except for late 2009.S. Korea peaked in 2011 and a negative money flow followed.We recently downgraded Australia, Brazil and Canada.We are currently concerned about Hong Kong, Singapore, and India.

      Actually it would take quite a bit of data, and charts that were quite flexible to analyze a market in its own currency. You can send a long term chart if you like, for comparative purposes.Good questions in these tough times. tony

  20. ipogram says:

    Hi Tony,
    What’s your comment about some other EW Analysis telling Bull Market over by the inflection points below:
    Primary I – 2010 (SPX 1219)
    Primary II – 2010 (SPX 1010)
    Primary III – 2011 (SPX 1370)
    Primary IV – 2011 (SPX 1074)
    Primary V – 2012 (SPX 1422)

    Hope to hear from a technical point of view if this count may be valid? Thanks.

  21. M1 says:

    I don’t want to alarm anybody, but do you remember the link I posted on thursday related to may 20th.
    http://atraccion1982-prophecies.blogspot.com/2012/05/mega-earthquake-alert-for-may-20-2012.html
    Now, check the news of today
    http://www.sacbee.com/2012/05/19/4502777/earthquake-strikes-in-italy-near.html

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  23. timmy321 says:

    Tony, any next target for AAPL? Don’t think it’s done. It seems to be gaining momentum on the downside. Thanks.

  24. Here is my latest chart for the BULLS… we must rally hard very soon…
    http://chart.ly/hdvw2xp

    • CB says:

      what’s that blue line, Dave?…is it supposed to be a TL or an embellishment of some sort?

      • CB says:

        what are you connecting there? you seem quite arbitrary there .

      • That’s junk trendline. Useful trendlines, i.e. those that visually communicate important information about the market must connect at least two significant lows/highs and must not intersect any price action between said points.

        A good primer on correctly drawing trendlines can be found in Victor Sperandeo’s first two books.

      • CB says:

        Good stuff. Thanks Breakout. :)

      • CB says:

        yeah Dave, don’t give us junk…we deserve better than that :)

      • I post things that force people to think outside the common groupthink of the day, thats all. Sometimes I get a little carried away for sure, but its the gemini evil twin…lol. That said, I posted on May 13th a bearish view of the SP 500 with 1422 possibly ending the bull market. Tony disagrees as wave 4 delves into 1, I respect his OEW opinions… but I think all rules can be broken at some point within reason. Also, wave 1 of this bull market was abnormal going from 666 to 1221 due to the 5 month historic crash.

        Finally, the trendlines I drew for this weekends “Bull Case” are not wrong… they show bottoms of wave patterns… and again, its to help think outside the box. Right now most people are getting very bearish, so when that happens I like to look for a reason to think the other way. Just like last October when I thought we were bottoming in a 3-3-5 pattern and most were bearish looking for 950 or lower on SP 500. So… now, most are bearish and Im simply pointing out that even my 1422 highs forecast last weekend could still be wrong… and that is why I put the chart up.

        Love it or not… its making people think…
        http://chart.ly/26bbv2n

        Here is one from my friend Stephen Stewart too… NON EWAVE
        http://stockcharts.com/public/1130973/chartbook/258677704

      • ewp4ever says:

        Hi Dave, thanks for sharing your thought. I like your flexibility to think outside of the box because we are not living in a perfect world. But per your 5/13/12 chart, it is way off because w4 is too much into wave1, so I can not agree with you. For your most recent chart, I may accept because of both closing price of w1 & 4 do not overlap plus DOW is still intact. But we will see next week. :)

      • optiontimer says:

        When it comes to trendlines, given a choice between “junk’ and “thinking outside the box,” I would agree with breakout and vote “junk” with respect to your “trendline.” Yours is but a random slash on a screen, the “breaking” or “holding” of which means nothing. I also agree with breakout’s Sperandeo assessment. There has not been a more clear, objective approach to trendline determination since Trader Vic published his method.

      • CB says:

        Yeah, that Gemini thing U keep bringing up Dave…well, no it’s not evil =) ….it’s just that amazing ability to hold contradictory points of view at the same time, right? (it’s not a TL obviously, but see what you’ve just said about it this AM)..Well, yes, understandably, it’s all these alternative ways of looking at things that keep popping up all the time & the desire to always learn new things that makes it difficult for some folks to ever come to any final conclusion – and that’s great cause we get a variety of ideas that way.. However saying sth. that is clearly wrong just to get a reaction from others (?)….Gee, think twice about doing that …cause :” no toys R NOT us,” and no one is playing … Ok, here’s the musical part of my post – Cee Lo Green, a Gemini, being philosophical about himself…enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvc7fd3ejqo&feature=related

      • ewp4ever says:

        Actually after I carefully examined DAVE’s chart, I realized that it is one right way to identify the waves. You need to give it some hard thinking. What I want to tell DAVE is he has very unique thoughts…it is different from others but it definitely not wrong. I am not sure which way is correct to identify waves since I do not think I have the ability to see clearly yet. Thanks both TONY and DAVE. You made me think…. :)

  25. mike7x says:

    While I generally view CNBC reports with much skepticism, sometimes there are good guests on the Kudlow Report. From a fundamental perspective I usually find Don Luskin’s views pretty accurate. In the video (below) there’s some interesting perspectives on this weekend’s G8 meeting, the EU crisis, gold, and QE3:
    http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000091272

  26. Effectively gold has a triple bottom, we will see if it holds, but its still in Primary wave 4… which will take 8-13 months, so far about 8-9 months. Eventually Primary 5 to all time highs.

    Question on the market is was 1422 the end of Primary wave 1 from 666….? I think it may have been given my weekend report last weekend with a count that is totally subjective, but shows fib relationships totally in line for 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5… if so, we are looking for gap fills WAY below current market pricing.

    Hoping Im wrong, because bear cycles are totally not fun adn I find them really hard to trade.

  27. Brent Calis says:

    Thanks Tony. Even if there are alternate counts, the accurate pivots help a great deal for setting stops. I don’t see why people who don’t believe in it feel like they have to come to your site at all.

    Do you see a turn around in the fertilizers any time soon. They’ve been up and down on news of a big crop season coming up in the past few months. Don’t we usually see a big spike in this area before a big leg down?

    Thanks!

    Ps. To all the naysayers. Alternative count or not. If I had the patience with Tony’s count from the beginning and kept my shorts in tact, I would have made a bunch of dough. Next time.

    B

  28. ewp4ever says:

    The previous posting is just a testing…. This is my 1st time posting… :)
    Tony, I have been following your blog for a while and thanks a lot for the great job and sharing…I enjoyed it.
    I am little confused recently, especially on Friday. If we consider 5w since Oct 2011, Friday’s low breached the end of wave 1, briefly though. Shall we look at the high for wave 1 and low for wave 4 or closing price? Because based on closing price, there is no violation. Maybe I put my wish instead of reality. Anyway, I just still do not feel right without wave 5. :)

    • tony caldaro says:

      Ewp, Welcome!We are watching the DOW.The SPX is the traders market, and the index gets quite volatile, at times, due to futures trading.The support range after a weak fifth wave is usually between wave 1 and 2.

      • ewp4ever says:

        You mean DOW has 5th wave already? Are you saying 13338.66 is fifth wave high? That piece looks abc to me instead of 5 minor waves. I still consider DOW’s new high made on May 1st as the B wave of an expanded flat… But since DOW is still above the end of wave 1, it still could be wave 4 going…Maybe I should wake up.

      • tony caldaro says:

        The count remains as posted until there is a problem.Anticipate, monitor and adjust.Just looking ahead at what if’s.

      • ewp4ever says:

        Yeah, I saw your alternatives…but DOW is the only indice gives hope of your original wave count, not the alternatives you offered today. Because it is the only one that 4th wave has not touched/entered 1st wave zone yet…. As you said: “The SPX is the traders market, and the index gets quite volatile, at times, due to futures trading.” Even the SPX just briefly touched/entered 1st wave zone and closed above it on Friday. That’s why I am little hesitated to give up your original wave count….:(

  29. mike7x says:

    Thanks Tony! “IF” we have a (an over-sold) rally early next week, and assuming that the OEW 1291 (SPX) pivot range holds. What (SPX) level would have to be reached/exceeded to signal the bottom/correction “may” be over? (And this could include your [small?] rally, pull-back to 1285-1289, then the suggested rally.) Thanks. Enjoy your weekend! :)

  30. prfairley says:

    Hmm. Times like this is why I remain an Elliott Wave agnostic. Too many alternate counts. and judgements like “Dow is the true bellwether” ?? I think Prechter’s philosophy is: the more large cap stocks in the index the more it is a true Elliott wave phenomena representing all men and their market; That would mean SP500, not the Dow is the true bellwether and the SP500 has overlapped the proposed ‘impulse waves’ since OCT 2011..Tony please use more distinct colors and other tools to make wave degree categories on charts more easily readable….the words major, minor, intermediate etc on charts also help….with clear charts like this it is not necessary to write so many words in the commentary….even for agnostics like me or beginner readers….and it frees up more time for the author . Also it seems faster and less confusing if alternate counts are placed in a line at the bottom of the preferred count chart..Best regards Peter Fairley

    • tony caldaro says:

      Hi Peter, As noted in the commentary, this is a very tough market.Limited colors with stock charts, note wave degree when possible.Have tracked the DOW, day by day, for over 30 years.It’s not what’s in an index, but the importance investors place on the index.When you watch the nightly news, what do they quote … the DOW.

      best regards,tony

      • Igor says:

        One of the problem many see in the Dow is how this index is constructed. The Dow is the price-weighted average, opposite to the market capitalization weighted SP500. It means that a stock with a higher price in the index has more influence on the Dow than a stock with a lower price. 10% change in the IBM price would move the Dow more than 20% change in the BAC price. Now, imagine, if AAPL would have been included in the Dow instead of AA (that would be the better representation of the current market environment, wouldn’t it?). The Dow would follow the AAPL moves most time in that case.
        I don’t argue with the importance of the Dow, just saying that it’s worth to keep in mind how an index is constructed, because the index construction may have an effect on its moves.
        Thank you for the update Tony. We are entering a turbulence zone.

      • Igor says:

        Should read “10% change in the IBM price would move the Dow more than 100% change in the BAC price.”

    • maxrstockman says:

      pr,
      Therefore, you must be an agnostic of ALL methods…unless you’ve found a method that is 100%. But alas, you would not be here if you did. Does fundamental techniques work 100%? IE, a company with a PE ratio of 12 always makes money…a company with a PE ratio of 80 always fails?

      I’ve been following the markets since the mid-90s, but heavily into technical analysis since mid 2000′s. I can say for a FACT that nothing free is 100%. What is rumored is that any method that is heavily used is known by the computers, and they exploit it to their advantage. Take a look at (stockcharts) the H&S pattern around S&P 950 (5/09 – 7/09) – everyone was expecting a drop from the nicely forming H&S. People started shorting the market. Hence, the market decided to surge up from the neckline. This has also occurred many times with traditional support/resistance levels recently.

      :: No method is consistent all the time. There are many FALSE signals. The key is to find the one that has the least. Caveat? Yeah, no method has the least false signals consistently in every market type. Therefore, you have to apply multiple techniques to ALL markets, and use your gut (mind) to tell you which signal is the likely to be the best.

      I see QE3 coming. It was pretty much hinted at “IF” the economy were to deteriorate. Well, guess what, Big Money heard…”QE3 is coming ONCE we reach $x on the S&P or DOW”. Do you not believe that they don’t want free money? IE, this market is manipulated both by the FED and BIG MONEY. When the time comes, all the shorts will be left holding the bag again when QE3 comes because you can’t fight the presses.

      MAX

      • maxrstockman says:

        “…Big Money heard…”QE3 is coming ONCE we reach $x on the S&P or DOW”. Do you not believe that they don’t want free money? IE, this market is manipulated both by the FED and BIG MONEY.”

        If I did not make myself clear, BIG MONEY is now fishing for the target, so watch out below. I see 1200 as an initial number, but we may need to go a lot lower before there is commitment. However, it is an election year, no? Therefore, maybe 1200 will do.

      • CB says:

        Good point about targets MaxStockman…AAPL, for instance, was expected to hit $525 area…Fri’s low=522. ..and AAPL is not just any stock, as we know :)
        Congrats Tony, btw, on nailing AAPL’s number so well! Thanks for the update as alawys Tony.

      • tony caldaro says:

        CB, If Facebook gets priced in line with AAPL it will be $8 instead of $38.When it breaks $38 there could be lots of trouble ahead for all those newbie investors.

      • CB says:

        Nice calculation Tony! I guess all they could do then ic change their ticker symbol from FB to FUBAR, Tony ;)

      • CB says:

        haha…I like re-mixes too Tony..and I’d better change that new ticker to MUBAR to make it family-friendly though
        Tony, can I ask you about that max. downside for ur alternate second $SPX count? /if this is Major 1/ … it should be limited to 1267 right(?) , otherwise the internal structure of I, II, III, IV gets in trouble(?)

      • CB says:

        thanks Tony….so ur working with a specific fibo. relationship for that max downside range, right? ..can you tell me what formula ur using or is it proprietary? thanks.

      • tony caldaro says:

        CB, A weak fifth often retraces to between waves 1 and 2.

      • CB says:

        oh yes you’ve mentioned that weak 5th to us b4..it makes perfect sense. thanks Tony. Appreciate it!

      • prfairley says:

        Hi Max, Thanks for reply. I agree with you and am using many methods. I am curious that you imply that some non-free methods are 100% accurate. Is that what JPM’s whale was using in London? Ha ha. I noticed Carl Swenlin seems confused about his own pay-only methods. Read his latest at decisionpoint.com then look at his “learning center” at the charts which illustrate IBTM, PMO, & IVTM proprietary indicators. Carl is now saying final bottom could be ‘weeks’ away…With this he joins the bear majority implying something gloomy. But his 2004 charts in ‘Learning center’ show similar technical picture for these 3 indicators leading to a 2 MONTH rally before final bottom near August at near same stock prices. In his current outlook he suggests the PMO should go ‘much lower” but in August 2004 it was higher in this August bottom, showing bullish divergence. …I subscribed to Bob Prechter’s Elliott for years and was very dissatisfied at the constant bad advice and huge revision of wave counts. “Clearly corrective patterns” become bullish 1, 2,(1)(2).; B & X waves can look impulsive . Another early up-wiggle can be changed to a One wave changing everything etc. I like Tony’s work here but the grammar like logic of the Elliott system allows Prechter to call entire upmove from 2009 corrective, last time I heard. (There are attempts to use math logic but it is more like verbal logic, as in philosophy & politics) Seems also possible that 5 larger waves up are complete from the 2009 bottom in a large ONE wave, leading to a large TWO wave retrace. facebook id peterfairley@yahoo.com best regards, Peter F.

    • tommyboys says:

      Igor… we are JUST NOW entering a “turbulence zone” ?

      • Igor says:

        Hi tommyboys,
        I referred to the increasing volatility in the SPX. It was below one year average since January, started to increase in April and close to the average now, still in an uptrend. Expect wide range trading days ahead until the volatility is on a rise.

  31. Well if that was wave 4 down from 1422 to 1292, it does qualify as a 38% retracement of waves 1-3 inclusive. Given the sentiment, Oscillators, and only 12% of NYSE stocks above 50 day MA… I would say it qualifies… so we will know on Monday. When people sell something worth $24.25 in clear valuation for $19.27, you know its panic/margin induced washout type selling. Monday oughta be interesting…

  32. graph1159 says:

    So it will be a light economic news calendar for next week. Is no news good news right now?

  33. scatman12 says:

    Thank u Tony for excellent analysis and guiding us all through these turbulent markets. I do find it interesting that gold is an uptrend along with USD.

    Sai

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