weekend update

REVIEW

For the third week in a row the market had a turnaround tuesday event. Three weeks ago it hit the SPX 1215 low. Two weeks ago the SPX 1278 high. And, this tuesday the high for the week at SPX 1264. Economic reports for the week were again biased to the upside. On the downtick: the CPI/PPI, retail sales, business inventories, housing starts and the Philly FED. On the uptick: the NY FED, industrial production, capacity utilization, the NAHB housing index, building permits, leading indicators, the monetary base, the M1-multiplier, the WLEI, and weekly jobless claims improved. For the week the SPX/DOW were -3.35%, and the NDX/NAZ were -4.15%. Asian markets lost 3.0%, European markets lost 2.9%, and the DJ World index lost 3.9%. Next week’s holiday shortened economic highlights are Q3 GDP, PCE prices and the FOMC minutes.

LONG TERM: neutral

Several weeks ago we switched from long term bearish to neutral after we had observed several technical events that were more typical of a bull market rally then a bear market counter-trend rally. While in this mindset, we have had several weeks to watch and observe which of the two scenarios was likely to play out. The characteristics of both are quite simple. During a bear market the uptrends are corrective ABC’s and the downtrends impulsive 1-2-3-4-5′s. While during a bull market these roles are reversed: impulsing uptrends and corrective downtrends.

After the May11 SPX 1371 high we had two corrective uptrends and three impulsing downtrends, with the third forming a diagonal triangle into the Oct 11 SPX 1075 low. This pattern would normally be counted as an impulsing five wave structure to complete a large wave A. Then it would be followed by a rising corrective B wave (one trend), and finally a large five wave (five trends) C wave. This is exactly what occurred between Oct 2007 and Mar 2009. And, it is the reason we were able to identify that low as it was occurring.

Oddly enough the May11 to Oct11 five wave decline offered an alternative count, an elongated flat. The same pattern that ended the 1987 stock market crash. An elongated flat starts as a five wave structure, declining three waves into a low. Then the market rallies in what would be considered a 4th wave, but the 5th wave decline makes a double bottom, instead of a significantly lower low, to complete the five wave decline. In 1987, for example, the 5th wave failed to even reach the low of the 3rd wave. This was counted as an elongated failed flat.

After the Oct11 SPX 1075 low the market rallied to SPX 1293, 20.3%, in only 18 trading days. We started counting it as a corrective uptrend. But as it unfolded it continued to look more and more impulsive. As a result of these two possibilites we started carrying the bearish five wave down count on the SPX charts, and the bullish elongated flat count on the DOW charts. What we have been looking for is simply this. While the uptrend was unfolding we wanted to see if it ended as impulsive or corrective. If it had ended as a corrective ABC pattern we would simply label it as a counter-trend B wave bear market rally, and then expect another five wave (five trend) decline to follow.

But so far the uptrend still looks impulsive, and we believe it ended at SPX 1293 in late October. If a downtrend is confirmed by OEW in the next few days/weeks and it is corrective, then our preferred scenario is the elongated flat and a resumption of the bull market. While OEW confirmed bear markets in many indices around the world it never confirmed a bear market in the US. This is the reason we had been posting; Long Term: “bear market highly probable”. While we are tracking the markets we can make assumptions based on various internal wave patterns. But these assumptions must eventually be quantified and confirmed by OEW. This is the main factor that separates objective EW from subjective EW.

MEDIUM TERM: uptrend appears to have ended at SPX 1293

As noted above, the uptrend from SPX 1075 to 1293 looks impulsive. If it has indeed ended at that high and OEW confirms a downtrend, then we need to observe the wave structure of the ongoing downtrend. Should it be corrective, which is already a possibility, then we would expect only a partial retracement of the recent uptrend when the downtrend concludes. At that point the count posted on the DOW charts, bull market resumes, would be the preferred count.

Should this potential downtrend be impulsive, then we would have to default to a resumption of the bear market scenario. And, the downtrend would likely take out the October low at SPX 1075 before it concluded. This is a very interesting juncture in the stock market.

Assuming the uptrend remains impulsive and the potential downtrend corrective we posted several potential retracement levels during the week. SPX 1210 = 38.2%, (it was hit on thursday), SPX 1184 = 50%, SPX 1158 = 61.8% and SPX 1126 = 76.4%. After that we’re probably heading a lot lower. Counting from the SPX 1293 high, the first decline was to 1215 and we labeled that wave A on the DOW charts. The rally that followed to SPX 1278 we labeled wave B, wave C should be underway now. This suggests the following wave relationships for C: SPX 1200 c = a, SPX 1170 c = 1.382a, SPX 1161 c = 1.50a and SPX 1152 c = 1.618a. Within these retracements and wave relationships are the cluster of OEW pivots: 1187, 1176 and 1168. Plus, a correction of 9% from the SPX 1293 high at 1177 would not be all that unusual if the bull market is resuming. Anything over 10% and we may be looking at a bearish outcome.

SHORT TERM

Short term support is in the upper 1190′s, then the 1187, 1176, 1167 pivot cluster. While short term resistance is at the 1222 and the 1240 pivot ranges. Short term momentum ended the weak rising from an extremely oversold condition. The short term OEW charts remain with a negative bias until this market can rally into the 1240 pivot range.

We have been counting the decline from SPX 1293 as wave A, and the rally to SPX 1278 as wave B. Wave C should be underway. Within wave C we have identified a wave 1 at SPX 1227 and a wave 2 at SPX 1267. Wave 3 should now be underway. This wave 3 appears to subdividing into a smaller wave 1 at SPX 1244, a wave 2 at SPX 1265, a wave 3 possibily ending at SPX 1209, and a wave 4 underway. This suggests the upside limit to a small wave 4 rally would be SPX 1244. Therefore if our corrective count is the ongoing market count, we should see a continuation of the current choppy activity as the market works its way lower.

Some time relationships also come into play. We have observed the last two uptrends have been exactly 18 trading days, if indeed SPX 1293 ended the uptrend. And, the last two downtrends have been exactly 23 trading days. This suggests a potential downtrend low on November 30th. If we assume a 9% correction we’re looking at a potential low on November 30th around SPX 1177.

To sum it up. We’re obviously leaning toward a more bullish outcome but are remaining long term neutral until we are certain this potential downtrend is corrective. Should the market drop more than 10% from the SPX 1293 high, or below SPX 1164, we believe there could be trouble ahead for the market and the bullish scenario. As long as the market remains above this 10% cutoff, and completes a corrective pattern, we see the possibility of the US bull market extending in the months ahead. We will keep you posted. Best to your investing/trading!

FOREIGN MARKETS

The Asian markets were all lower on the week for a net loss of 3.0%. Japan’s NIKK has already confirmed a new downtrend.

The European markets were also all lower for a net loss of 2.9%.

The Commodity equity group were all lower for a net loss of 3.0%.

The DJ World index lost 3.9%.

COMMODITIES

Bonds gained 0.4% on the week and continue to look like they are uptrending, although unconfirmed.

Crude hit $103 this week in its uptrend, but sold off the last two days for a net loss of 1.3% on the week.

Gold continued to pullback in its uptrend, after hitting $1804 last week, and lost 3.6% on the week.

The USD benefitted this week from the pullback in equities and commodities, gaining 1.5% on the week. Hard to determine if it is still in an uptrend or not. The swings lately have been quite severe.

NEXT WEEK

Monday kicks off this holiday shortened week with Existing home sales at 10:00. On tuesday we have Q3 GDP at 8:30 and then the FOMC minutes at 2:00. On wednesday weekly Jobless claims, Personal income/spending, PCE prices, Durable goods orders and Consumer sentiment. Thursday is the Thanksgiving holiday and on friday the markets will reopen for an abbreviated session. Best to your weekend, week and holiday!

CHARTS:  http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID1606987

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162 Responses to weekend update

  1. ronini3 says:

    Nice call Catch. Well done!

  2. ronini3 says:

    CB, how did you erase a post? It may come handy if I change my mind on my next trade. : )

  3. gselsidi says:

    Also, If any of you guys are in the NYC area my GF’s mother is selling a tea cup yorkie puppy. Should of mentioned earlier when she had more, but slipped my mind lol. Let me know if any of you are interested.

    • latkagravas says:

      If this was intended for me, I must decline the offer of your mother’s yorkie puppy. As beloved that dog may be, my focus is purely on the matter of navigating the markets.

      That being said, could anyone kindly provide a recommendation for a service which can assist me in my market investing. I am seeking something top-shelf……..a service that can make profitable market calls at least 90% of the time.

      Serious replies only.

      Latka G

      • H D says:

        That’s funny. :mrgreen: I’m starting to wonder how many profiles you guys have. Maybe it’s all Amos. hahaa.

        Tony and all have a great holiday.

      • tony caldaro says:

        H D,1187 and extremely oversoldenjoy ur holiday

      • Igor says:

        “I am seeking something top-shelf……..a service that can make profitable market calls at least 90% of the time.”

        There is something better:

        “Posted on November 21, 2011
        I will adjust my use of the System to open a position on the day of a signal, and then to close it at the end of the following day. I’m not willing to do this yet, but it would result in nearly 100% of one’s trades being profitable.”
        http://catchthemoves.com/

      • Latka,
        Goldman Sachs prop desk is the only place I have heard of that can come anywhere close to that.

      • CB says:

        I3, not that it has anything to do with this blog, but as a general proposition, yes, I like to see people ticked off – that’s when they show their true colors….we get way too much fake candy passive aggressive in life… happy with the answer? Don’t get too tricky with me ;)

    • CB says:

      ask Catch. Maybe he’ll barter with you.

    • CB says:

      Hey ronin, I am just one of the guys here – I like fights, don’t you? Besides, they’re only just warming up. ;) Looking forward to the next episode of “watch what happens” .lol…Sorry Catch, sorry Igor…only time will tell…why not give it some time, shall we?

  4. gselsidi says:

    What did the market open at today did it gap down? How many points for the DOW?

    • tony caldaro says:

      Elsid,The gap was from SPX 1216 to 1205

    • gselsidi says:

      Thanks Tony,

      Is there a website where it shows gaps on the charts for the indicies? I thought stockcharts did it but they don’t.

      • GS,
        The ETF’s for the indexes show the gaps better. SPY, DIA, IWM, QQQ, etc. The Nasdaq Composite does accurately show the gaps though. On the gaps for DIA, SPY, etc. just go back and look at the closing levels the day before the gap. In addition, if you use TC-2000 you can go back and easily find the gaps using their pointer under the tool bar. I personally keep a list of support and resistance levels for the S&P 500 which includes all notable open gaps. Next gap to be filled on the downside would be 1,155 from 10/7/11. If 1180-1185 doesn’t hold, 1155-1158 should be the next stop.

  5. My chart taking a hapless guess at short term path of SP 500
    http://chart.ly/8mcbf48
    Cheers

  6. “ronini3 says:
    November 21, 2011 at 11:17 am
    no one wants to hear about a closing trade without an opening trade.”

    Well put, Ronini. Almost everyone is afraid to post their trades in real-time, BEFORE a move occurs, for obvious reasons.

    Although my past two signals were accurate the next day, I missed the obvious ensuing sell signal and stop-loss level was triggered in both cases. Not concerned at atl, as over the longer term (monthly, yearly, versus one given week) my system is the best and most consistent wealth generator I’ve personally seen. First time I can recall being stopped out twice in a row, but the previous 10-20 trades were all profitable, and I’ll take that any day.

    As posted (in real-time) on my blog, went long at Dow 11,500 with a tight stop at 11,449 — trade based not on specific signal but rather risk/reward grounds. Best to all.

    • ccrider33 says:

      First time I can recall being stopped out twice in a row, but the previous 10-20 trades were all profitable, and I’ll take that any day.
      ——————————————-
      Why would you take anything but your system generated trades at a 80 to 90 percent success rate?

  7. H D says:

    Looks like a small ABCDE triangle pattern, some call IHS. Measures 6, 1192

  8. ronini3 says:

    look to cover my /GC short from $2000!!!

  9. vishal409 says:

    Tony one more example which proves GOLD bulls are over 7 done with.Today gold misses one oppurtunity to lead the panic and be the safe heaven

    In my earler posts i had mentioned to short

  10. drz130 says:

    Tony, at what point will an alternate or primary count in gold view the movement from the Sept. low as corrective? For me, it looks like we had a nice A-B-C up from the lows to the 11/8 highs, and this downmove can be the beginning of an impulse down. Thanks, and appreciate your work.

  11. ccrider33 says:

    Closed shorts. Expect a bounce to 1200 SPX. Next target 1170.

  12. rc1269 says:

    Whatcha thinking here Tony?

    How many days like this do we need in a row for it to be officially impulsive?

    Thanks!

  13. M1 says:

    Good morning, I did some homework during the weekend and I updated my charts yesterday early in the morning. As you can check, I am considering an alt count that suggests interm i and interm ii are already in place and minor 1 of interm iii is now unfolding.
    I agree with Tony that 1177 or abt the 50% fib retrac should mark the line in the sand. Should the market close well below that level, then I will be more confident with my alt count.
    I wish you all the best to all.
    http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID4067322

  14. ronini3 says:

    AXP, stopped out..MF Global!

  15. scottycj1 says:

    We are near short term support for the futures See a rally to
    1230 spx by tomorrow. Catchs system is prone to catching you going the wrong way… due to overnight news that leaves no room to react. Probably best traded with futures to allow stops to
    work. If you were long calls ……you got creamed.

    • ketubadin says:

      hey scotty, if you were to trade futures using catch’s system what kind of overnight stop would you use? a set point value or a structural stop?

      • scottycj1 says:

        Probably 6 pts. But sometimes the markets so wild overnight its easy to get stopped out. This morning is a perfect example. Market gaps down 20 points and its hard to get positioned. Probably why I ‘m a swing trader looking for 3 to 6 days in a trade.
        Think 1230 is now too far up for the rally I was looking for from this low? in here.

    • ketubadin says:

      i analyzed the overnight data and early part of RTH for the ES on the overnight and mornings following all of catch’s signals. out of 12 total signals, 3 of them moved in the direction of the signal in the overnight session and never dropped below the closing price at which the signal was triggered; 3 others dropped to exactly 8 points below the closing price (either in the overnight session or early in the RTH next morning) before reversing in the direction of the signal; the other drops in points before reversal were: 4, 10, 12, 19, 20 and (if we assume today’s low will be 1180.50) 33.50 points. Eventually they all reversed in the direction of the signal except for his “missed signal” which I did not count in this. This means that 75% of the time the ES will not extend more than 12 points in the wrong direction before a reversal, but only 33% of the time will it not extend beyond 6 points. is a 13 point stop the way to go? I’m not sure the best way to play it with these figures … ideas?

  16. vishal409 says:

    Tony India flirting with bear market territory, USD nailing the indian rupee left,right and centre

  17. rc1269 says:

    Good morning, Tony. Great weekend post by the way – thanks. I have a couple questions for you this morning:

    First, is there a specific way you determine impulsive vs corrective, or is it mostly just a subjective observation of trading behavior? Just wondering if there is some quantified means of determining one vs the other.

    Second, when comparing the present with the elongated flat of 1987, do you feel that the broader (bigger) wave setups are also consistent? For instance, the bullish market setup of the mid to late 1980s, with higher highs all the way up to just before the crash, seems more condusive to a failed flat situation. Compared to our current market, where we have several major market highs and lows within the last decade. In short, does the bigger picture today support a similar likelihood of an elongated failed flat now as was the case in 1987?

    In the bond world this morning, for once all eyes are not on Europe and now we have US budgetary ineffectiveness to worry about. From a real economic standpoint nobody seems to be that concerned (yet); however, congressional failure on the budget could prompt another rating downgrade by the agencies. That’s of bigger concern. Combine that with the persistent reluctance out of Germany to let the ECB start monetizing periphery debt, and we have the 10yr about 12 ticks better on the morning (-4bp). It has given some back since the (not a complete catastrophe) Chicago fed #.

    Spanish bonds appear to be the new Italy. Spanish 10yrs are +18bp today to around 6.50%, blowing through some major support areas on the way out. Seems only a matter of time until the ECB ramps up their buying of Spanish debt. Meanwhile, Italy is hanging in there, only +2bp on the day for their 10yr (6.64% yield).

    Also, just thought I’d mention the DAX looks like it just put in a classic H&S, while breaking through its 50day MA on the downside.

    Happy Monday all,
    -rc

    • rc1269 says:

      Oh, and I forgot to mention the persistent rumors (expectations at this point) of a France downgrade by one/both of the rating agencies. As deterioirating economic data continues out of the Eurozoen it’s almost inevitable.

      And for those who thought that the S&P downgrade “error” about two weeks ago that was retracted was in fact an error, think again. The dissemination of the report was likely in error (they likely just clicked “send” accidentally). However, an email notification and web page entitled France downgrade doesn’t just spontaneously generate itself. An analyst wrote it, which means it’s on the table. After their error they probably feel like they need to sit on the sideline for a few weeks with their tail between their legs. But it’s out there, looming…

    • tony caldaro says:

      Morning RC, Yes. Typically we can quantify three/five waves during a trend.But sometimes a trend is so strong that we only see one wave. This is what recently occurred. In 1987 we were in the early-middle stages of a Cycle wave [5] bull market: 1974-2007.From 1982-1984 the market gained about 60%, then from 1984-1987 the market gained about 150%1984 had a six month bear market, and the crash of 1987 was only a four month bear market.Since these were waves of the same degree the short bear markets made sense. In 2011 we are in the early-middle stages of a Cycle wave [1] bull market: 2009-???? (typically five years).From 2009-2011 the market gained about 100%. This is a similar rate of change as 1984-1987, i.e. 50% gain per year, which is unsustainable at some point.Remember the 2002-2007 bull market only produced a 100% gain. So yes, in that regard things look comparable.

  18. H D says:

    IF ur counting W1 Low 1208.75 Globex, gapped blow and backtested. This price defines corrective or impulsive for me. You can count C=A 1194′s. GL :mrgreen:

  19. pooch77 says:

    70% would be astounding but 90%I say post on public blog for 6months before investors are led to believe returns of this nature.If there is a documented track record then certaintly sell for $50 a month but based on 2weeks? And now very questionable calls.. .Well goodluck

  20. Catch as I thought may have had something interesting, but nobody has ever come up with a 90% system in the market in the history of the market. I Think all of those indicators eventually fail, including any that I’ve tried to develop personally. Linear Regression works until it doesnt, along with many other tricks. I dont have any daily system, but I do have signals that work. I had 4 of 6 with top indicators as of last Thursday, and that is when Im high high cash and as I said possibly shorting if I feel aggressive. This morning if this futures trade holds, it will be 5 of 6 and that is hide under the desk time. Best of luck to all. Rmember, Elliott Waves are an art… they are subject to the interpretation of the eye. NEver force a count on the chart, if it aint there… it aint there. Somtimes you have to punt and sit back and wait. I didnt see 5 waves up from 1074… and that was a warning to me as it was.

    Cheers all

  21. Slowly resting my bear case here gang. Looks like 3 of 1 of 3 to me… I had 1170 on my longer term charts, then bounce, and working to 1146/47. Intermediately again seeing 1050-1070 first quarter 2012… but again, just a forecast and on man’s views of the waves.

  22. pooch77 says:

    The Catch dude needs a major miracle for the market to turn around Monday.Thats 2 misses in 4 trading days.Hardly 90% success rate.I think we have asll had hot streaks for 2, 3 weeks and then the market humbles us.

  23. ggok1 says:

    Hi wavespeak/Tony
    Couldn’t it be possible that if we get a slow decline which is not characteristic of major C. That it could just be minor c of abc of intermediate abc of major B. So major A finished OCT lows, this is all major B which is broken into a up, b down, c up, and we are in b down with a c up to come which could go all the way to summer highs and still be in a bear Market? Then huge decline major C down later? Or is this scenario out of the window?
    How far down can this mini b wave go to still be Counted as a mini b down before a final c wave up to finish this abc correction of major B? When does this scenario get negated?
    Thanks
    G

  24. A slower start to the week gave way to full-bore weakness by mid-week, as all indices moved down to test decline lows. Overall, the indices lost a tidy 2.5-4% as a larger pullback takes shape off the late October highs as anticipated. As a result, we once again find ourselves at a key point for the pattern on all time frames.
    We’ve discussed how the only way the bearish setup could survive is if a market high was found in this area and was followed by notable weakness. With price declining this week, this appears to be last sensible opportunity to follow through to the downside. If weakness does not continue and instead we get more indecision, we’d have to think that the bearish potential is not going to be realized. That’s because any waffling here would confirm that the current pullback is corrective, which in turn would portend higher prices that would completely negate the possibility of a significant downtrend. Either way, it sure looks like an important statement is going to occur here, and we’ve get the levels that will translate the market’s message for us.
    Tonight, we’ll take a detailed look at all of it to fully prepare for the market’s pending statement. One
    thing we do have to keep in mind is the impact of low-volume trading, a certainty in the coming
    holiday-shortened week. Fortunately, our neutral stance allows us to simply wait and see how it goes.
    After we break down the indices from every angle, we’ll take a gander at this week’s stock board
    action. There is no lack of tasty patterns out there, but they sure could use some follow through.

  25. CB – Never knew/saw that in a disclaimer during my day. The justification for the lack of FDIC insurance etc., was the segregation issue. Does that include TBills? Just curious. Thanks!

  26. pbbilly says:

    Hi Tony. With regards CHF, is there a Price target in ’12 when one should begin to go long?

    Thank you, Billy

  27. mike7x says:

    What an interesting and pivotal time the next few trading sessions may be. One of the great things (out of many) about Tony’s site is the allowance and acceptance of differing opinions, based on the seemingly same (Elliot Wave) factual data. I’ve always believed that technical analysis, especially Elliot Wave, is more of an art (in interpretation) than a science. Lot’s of great comments this weekend!

  28. All I’m doing is challenging people to think outside the box a bit when looking at wave patterns. Recall a few months ago I was discussing a 3-3-5 Primary Wave 2 being very possible and not to rule it out…now that is on the table. So what I’m now saying is perhaps avoiding too much group think is all, and hopefully not offending anyone, especially Tony who does great work for nothing.

    So here is the bottom line: I cant make out a clear 5 wave pattern off the 1074 lows, so I’m not going to force one, that is where you get into trouble. Even from the SP 500 1292 highs, the pattern since could be viewed as a zig zag ABC correction, maybe its a complicated b wave with a C up coming… or, its the start of a new downtrend.

    For sure, its tough to figure out I will readily admit. My best projection though is the rally to 1292 is 3 waves, we broke a triangle to the downside, we cant recapture the 200 day MA, and 4 of my 6 top signals are flashing yellow to red. So, I don’t want to ignore all of that because we may havea powerful wave 3 coming… instead, my instinct says other than a bounce to 1223, 1237, and MAYBE 1249 near term…. we are continuing lower to at least 1170 for the time being.

    I also as of now can make an argument for a drop to 1050-1070 sometime in the 1st quarter of 2012.

    So thats my take for now… I dont see a powerful wave 3 up coming even with some type of QE… I think the QE stimulus if there is one, will be similar to pushing on a string

    Tony, again… thanks for your efforts!

  29. pbbilly ~ The post Tony mentioned re: MFGlobal can be found here

    http://www.donnaklinenow.com/?p=1918

    Tony, of course, states it more eloquently than I did.. :)

    You may also want to read this: http://www.barnhardt.biz/ ‘BCM has ceased operations’
    The author is a broker that became quite verbal about the actions of MF Global and also the current Government. If I were still in the industry, I would probably feel the same way. Honest brokers, with long-time customers, feel betrayed by recent actions. It’s really a shame.

    • pbbilly says:

      Hey Donna, thanks for reposting your comments. I do remember reading them originally, but had forgotten. (Probably an age thing!) Great insight. I just read last night in the Weekend Journal that the bankruptcy trustee thinks that MF assets may also have been transferred overseas. More fraud? Then as Tony points out Celente has his account assets, gold I believe, confiscated by the bankruptcy trustee! What’s with that? I as well used to be a broker many years ago. This stuff didn’t happen back then, at least not to this degree. But now, it seems rampant. Now information shows that Sen. Kerry has an amazing track record of buying and selling pharma stocks. He’s not alone I’m sure. Something isn’t right. Celente may be on to something when he felt what the MF really represented. Amazing times.

      Billy

    • CB says:

      thanks Donna.
      There are important differences between margin and cash accounts –the essential one is that margin accts. are held in the street name….…and it affets the segregation issue….customers’ rights are different than in a cash account. More on that… http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20582

      • CB says:

        correction: ‘affects’ the segregation issue…
        and sorry abt that promo stuff on Vanguard…not the intent here… the fine print in your margin acct. agreement is the best place to find those legal details.

      • CB says:

        ” In accordance with the SEC Customer Protection Rules, MF Global Inc. may use free-credit balances in your securities account in the operations of its business. Such balances are payable to you upon demand and, although properly accounted for on our records, are not segregated. ”
        http://www.mfglobal.com/disclaimer/united-states

  30. ajww says:

    A while back you mentioned a new QE. It may be an international one.

  31. ctfp999 says:

    Hi Tony, is there an ETF that closely tracks crude oil price? Thanks.

  32. vishal409 says:

    Guys what makes Tony different from the rest is objectivity and flexibility, you cannot be rigid in financial markets and expect mkts to follow the expected path, he was the first to call the upmove from 2009 as a bull Market while others were busy picking the retracement top, he’s been a gold bull ever since the gold breed started breathing

    In this world of money madness we should be happy that he is not subscription hungry but actually trying to share the knowledge with others and taking time to answer our questions, especially from novices like me
    Stop this comparison and be happy

    Thank you for everything Tony

  33. M1 says:

    Thanks Tony, if the market falls more than 10%, would you still expect to see an important low on nov 28th ?

  34. canadianloonie says:

    Fair enough Tony.. We all know you
    aren’t a hater… This blog is made possible
    from the respect you have given all
    despite their views not always matching
    yours… On a last note about prechter
    he was rated the top financial
    newsletter for 2009-11 by hulbert financial
    but the worst performer the last 20 years…
    So his forecast for the short term is quite
    impressive… His long term I guess need some work

  35. canadianloonie says:

    Tony as a student teacher and master
    of Elliot wave theory.. who were the
    people you followed in your progression
    of this skill and do you still have any
    favorites who are deemed credible as
    you in the last 30 years? I remember
    reading somewhere where you said alot
    of these guys have come and gone in
    making bear bull calls over the years, where
    you have stood the test of time.

  36. One last note for everyone.
    4 of my 6 top signals remain in place after Friday’s close. When that is the case I tend to go HIGH HIGH cash and DO NOT short yet, unless we are getting close to 5 of 6. My forecast came out today early in the morning for the near term, and it calls for a POSSIBLE bounce to 1223, 37, or 49. That would then be followed by yet another down leg, and right now Im looking at around 1170 once 1200 breaks. Well, we will see. Enjoy the weekend all!

  37. Tony

    OK, well your commentary references the SP 500 everyday, so I am looking at that index as most representative given its 500 stocks and not just 30. With that said, I still am not 100% sure you can label 5 waves up on the Dow from Oct lows to Nov highs, but if you did… it would make wave 3 about equal to wave 5 , and much smaller than 1. That in itself would be rare. But, it gets better becuase since the Dow highs, we have this meandering correction that doesnt really fit any clear elliott wave 2 pattern. In this case, it would have to be a valid wave 2 after a completed 5 wave move from October lows for your bull case to continue… and I just dont see it either. Instead, I see a running sideways correction at best.

    At any rate, we can agree to disagree which is what makes this forum great. I may end up with red all over my face, and it wont be the last time. However, I’m just being clear that my forecast is for pain, rain… and not big gain.

    Cheers
    D

  38. johnjo12 says:

    Hello Tony

    Thanks for the regular updates. With reference to price action last week and the break down of the so called ‘bullish triangle’ on the s&p . I think that fact that the euro holding reasonably firm against the $ should have been an indication that the breakdown was not going to be that hard, normally we would expect the $ to strengthen in this case especially as gold was selling off quite hard. So on that basis we could have more Equity market upside next week as don’t think euro is ready for all out collapse yet even though there is so much negativity towards it poss short squeeze coming up. . Thanks

  39. canadianloonie says:

    Thank you Tony!! Everything you do
    is much appreciated!! I was reading
    the market oracle last week and
    it had Robert prechter , David Bannister
    and Super Tony… Papa bear , Mama bear
    and baby bear…it facinates me how Elliot
    wave can be interpreted in different ways
    … Then there is Glenn Neely .. Neowave
    not sure the difference here… Neely is quite
    bearish… Even says Gold bull is over..
    Bannister is still Gold bull… All fascinating
    and interesting arguments can be made
    for all… Prechter has B wave for Oil gold
    markets everything .. His scenerio scares
    the hell out me…I’m not smart of to figure
    this all out… So I’m staying on the sidelines..
    I just think there is no bull market until
    Europe is solved and USA now 15 trillion debt crisis is fixed.. Good luck to all!!

    • tony caldaro says:

      Hi Loonie, Different EW views is quite common.One looks at the fundamentals and try to fit the waves to match their view.One tries to reinvent the theory and call it EW.Others look at just the waves and determine what they see.We look at everything, with quantitative waves, and then determine the most likely outcome. Just a matter of which view was is seeing.

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  41. fishonhook says:

    Hi Tony

    tough market to call for sure, the trends seem to last days and then reverse.

    I remember one of your posts a long time ago which outlined how we could differentiate between bull and bear markets. You said something like (correct me if I am wrong) .’in bull markets the RSI rarely reached over-sold in the weekly chart and vice-versa’

    Seems to me based on that , we may be in a bear cycle.

    thanks

  42. CB says:

    Thanks very much Tony!

  43. I would challenge anyone here to take this chart from 1074-1292, and label it with 5 clear impulsive waves on the SP 500. Tony, this is no offense… but I would like to see where we get wave 2 even, let alone a wave 3…. at best I can make up an ABC. Where B was a .236 retrace of A, and C was about 50% of A.
    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX&p=D&yr=0&mn=6&dy=0&id=p29486817166

    Cmon , who is up to the challenge to prove me wrong…lol

    • tony caldaro says:

      David, We have tracked the SPX verses the DOW, wave for wave, for nearly three decades.The SPX, at times due to its volatility, displays choppy activity, while the DOW does not.Many trade the SPX and that’s why it is posted first one the public charts and discussed.However, as I have stated time and again, the DOW is the barometer for the US market.The SPX is the traders index. cheers!

  44. I dont see 5 impulsive wave pattern from the 1074 lows, at best I see an ABC. I had mentioned 1074-1233, 1233-1195, 1195-1292/93. I dont see 5 waves though, which is partly why IM disagreeing with Tony on that Bull side of things. Secondarily, the chop down since 1292/93 doesn’t make too much wave sense either, other than the 38% fib we can all do math on at 1209/1210. This leave me seeing 3 waves to 1292/93 which around the 71% retrace of the 1370-1074 drop. For sure, the pattern is not clear.

    So, this is why Im continuing to fall back on the 07-09 pattern which this continues to mimic. That and my 4 of 6 top indicators are certainly not bullish.

    Will we drop to 1156/1183 and then run hard to new highs? Or…. will we just keep on falling?

    My best projection continues to be a top between Nov 4th and Xmas and then a drop to 1050-1070 at the next interim low… therefore, other than a bounce to 1223, 1237, and 1249 (My weekend forecast) I see continual bear market action coming.

    We shall see, it’s one man’s opinion

  45. Really solid note! Crisp and punchy.

  46. mike7x says:

    Thanks for the Weekend Update Tony. So, will the “stupid committee”, sorry, “super committee” have any “real” deal by Monday (haha)? And will their be a market reaction? Uncle Ben, r u watching??

    • tony caldaro says:

      Mike,The committee is made of politicians.What do you think?

      • mike7x says:

        Expectations are so low, I wonder if anybody cares. Maybe “they” will have a positive surprise, but I doubt it! Mostly I wonder who will provide another round of QE first, the FED or the ECB (and when).

      • tony caldaro says:

        If they do nothing there will be $1.2 tln in cuts over the next 10 years.That’s only $200 bln a year.If Obama does not get re-elected that whole deal will be scrapped by a Republican president.This is more like a parlor game of charades.Remember Bush said, in his second term, he’d have a balanced budget by 2010.He left office in Jan09.

      • mike7x says:

        Thanks Tony, I agree with you. Unless the current political mix in Washington changes, nothing substantial may change regarding our fiscal mess, and the parlor game of charades will continue. Unfortunately, that mix can’t change until at least Nov. 2012, and it seems one party will have to gain complete control, for good or bad, for real results to happen. QE actions by the FOMC & ECB may prop things up for awhile, but sooner or later we will have to pay the piper. Long-term gold looks very good to me (unfortunately).

  47. liborval says:

    great update tony, as always. how long can the potential bull market last with oil over 100 usd, it isnt good for us consumer and economy at all

  48. pbbilly says:

    Hi Tony. You are obviously deeply connected throughout the industry. Would you care to comment on this letter / article? From my perspective, there are too many people, firms and we definitely know, politicians, who are not held accountable illegal actions. Corzine or somebody obviously raided that firm.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/going-galt-hedge-broker-shuts-down-firm-with-chilling-letter-about-the-market/

    Thanks for helping to keep us sane in these crazy times!

    Cheers.

    • tony caldaro says:

      Hi Billy, Personally I do not buy into that scenario that the money was stolen.Misused yes, stolen no. No one probably has it in their possession, it’s just gone.I believe Donna posted a more plausible explanation a week or so ago. The cash was probably used to cover a ‘big’ clients bond exposure in the futures market.Possibly a long position in greek bonds, theoretically covered by credit default swaps.When the position started to go south the firm probably decided to use available customer cash to temporarily cover the margin.Then when the EU decided a voluntary 50% haircut in Greek bonds, not triggering the CDS, was in order, the firm went bankrupt.The timing fit quite well.The EU made the statment on thursday the 27th, MF Global declared bankruptcy on monday the 31st.

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  50. vishal409 says:

    Tony as always comprehensive coverage, thanx,

    Tony USD has made some substantial gains against many currencies, isnt it surprsing that the dollar index hasnt broken the bear market downmove and given a breakout signl?

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