wednesday update

Grand SuperCycle, SuperCycle and Cycle waves

Now that markets worldwide have declined anywhere from 22% (SPX/FTSE) to 43% (RTSI), we thought we would review the current market and place it into the proper historical perspective. In February 2010 we published this piece on the GSC: http://caldaro.wordpress.com/2010/02/14/grand-super-cycle-revisited%e2%80%8f/. We see no reason to change this view.

A quick recap. A multi-century Grand Supercycle topped in 1929 and ended with the Great depression and an 89% stock market collapse by 1932. After that a new multi-century GSC began. Each GSC bull market consists of five SuperCycle waves. The bull market SC’s are multi-decade events. The first of these SC bull markets ran from 1932-2007. This we labeled SC1. The two year bear market that followed, when the market lost over 55% of its value, we labeled SC2. At the March 2009, SPX 667 low, SuperCycle 3 began its multi-decade bull market. Notice the bear markets cycles take very little time to do major damage, i.e. 1929-1932 89% market loss, and 2007-2009 55% market loss.

Each SuperCycle bull market consists of five Cycle waves. During SC1, 1932-2007, the bull market Cycle waves lasted from five years (1932-1937) to 31 years (1942-1973) and 33 years (1974-2007). Notice the shortest was five years. Within each bull market Cycle wave there are five Primary waves. These Primary waves can last anywhere from two months (Jly32-Sept32) and five months (Feb33-July33), to 17 (1949-1966) and 18 years (1982-2000). You may already see where I’m heading with this.

When we review the 15 world market indices we track we find 9 have OEW confirmed bear markets, and the rest came close to confirming at the recent lows. The wave counts for their previous bull markets display seven with Primary wave I highs, followed by a Primary II bear market. The other eight display five wave structures, counted as a completed Cycle wave [1] into their bull market high, and then their bear markets. When we compare the historical bull market time relationships of Cycle waves (5 to 33 years) and Primary waves (2 months – 18 years), to these eight 2 year bull markets we find they are historically too short to be counted as completed Cycle waves. They look more like Primary waves. As a result of this analysis, all the world indices must have had a Primary wave I high to end their bull markets and then a Primary wave II bear market. We will be downgrading the current counts, by one degree, on all eight of these world indices. The ramifications of this “project, monitor, adjust” event will prove to be quite interesting. We will cover this at another time.

SHORT TERM: market consolidates after yesterday’s rally, DOW -72

Overnight the Asian markets were mostly higher. Europe opened higher and closed +0.70%. US index futures were lower overnight. At 8:30 the CPI was reported slightly lower: +0.3% vs +0.4%, Building permits were reported lower: 594K vs 620K, but Housing starts were reported higher: 658K vs 571K. The market opened slightly lower at SPX 1223. The SPX had closed at 1225 yesterday. Within the opening minutes the market bounced to SPX 1226 and then pulled back to 1220 by 10:00. A quick rally to SPX 1230 followed, but the market started to head lower, in 5 point swings, after that. By 2:00 the SPX retested its low for the day at 1220, and the FED released the beige book: http://www.federalreserve.gov/fomc/beigebook/2011/20111019/default.htm.  After that the dropped further, hitting SPX 1206 around 3:30, and then closed at 1210.

For the day the SPX/DOW were -0.80%, and the NDX/NAZ were -0.95%. Bonds were flat, Crude slid $2.20, Gold dropped $13.00, and the USD was lower as well. Support for the SPX slips back to 1187 and then 1176, with resistance again at 1222 and then 1240. Short term momentum rolled over again today after hitting quite overbought yesterday. Tomorrow, weekly Jobless claims at 8:30. At 10:00 the Philly FED, Leading indicators and Existing home sales. Then at 6 PM FED governor Tarullo gives a speech in NYC.

Today the market opened relatively flat after yesterdays 42 SPX point midday reversal to 1233. Technically, the market went from quite oversold short term to quite overbought in just 5 hours. Today’s pullback, mostly after the FED’s Beige book was released, sent the market into another 20+ point pullback. The rally from SPX 1075 to 1233 has been a difficult one to count. We see four pullbacks of 20+ points right into yesterday’s 1233 high. This suggests an impulsive five wave advance. Our short term OEW charts, however, suggest a wave A to the SPX 1225 high, then a B to 1191, and now a C to SPX 1233 thus far. This market needs to make a definite move in either direction; i.e. a drop to SPX 1191 or lower, or rally to or above 1233, to clear this count.

Short term support drops back to the low 1200′s, and the 1187/1176 pivots. Short term resisitance is again at the 1222 pivot, the low 1230′s and the 1240 pivot. Short term momentum is approaching slightly oversold with today’s pullback. Best to your trading!

MEDIUM TERM: uptrend high SPX 1233

LONG TERM: bear market highly probable

CHARTS: http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID1606987

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107 Responses to wednesday update

  1. wldcttr says:

    can see a triangle clearly defined in the esz this morning – breakout higher & tgt is about 1265 – break below 1200, maybe 1155? i think we’re going higher.

  2. I guess they approved more paper into the greece fire this morning. Great news for me to short later.

  3. Elliott Waves are all subject to interpretation, and they get a knock all the time. Just in the past 30-45 days we have flip flopped here multiple times…. so its a nice art and science, I love it myself trust me… but its by no means perfect nor very great at forecasting ahead of time. Its good and trying to tell you what just happened, but not very consistent at what will happen. That said, dont get me wrong… I screw it up all the time myself, but I still enjoy it very much. Right now I have also two views… one is Primary 2 ended at 1074 yes. The other is this is an ABC up and 5 more down coming…. problem is, not seeing the B yet! We shall see… I remain high in cash and I scalp trade here and there for now. Best to all and thanks Tony!

  4. ddhsmo says:

    I didn’t know I’d get free entertainment on this site too. What a bargain! Hilarious!

  5. vishal409 says:

    Tony gold oversold on daily RSI 22? Disappointment over summit outcome resulting in fall in equities from next week and rise in gold would cooincide nicely, what say?

  6. ddhsmo says:

    Does anyone else notice that the recent 6 months of market action closely mirrors the late ’07 to mid ’08 market? In ’08, the S&P fell about 300 points (1576-1270) and retraced about 170 points. The downtrend from May of this year to last weeks low (1370-1074) is also about 300 points . 170 points retraced would bring it to about 1250. In the past few weeks the market looks like it has the same see-saw (triangle) action that it did in ’08. If that’s true and the trend continues it looks like we could get to 1240 in the next week or so, then, swing down to about 1200 again and get a final swing up to end it around 1250. It’s easy to see on the weekly chart.

    This is just an observation from a novice. Thanks to Tony and all others on this blog for your work and comments. I’ve made a few bucks for my kids’ college fund over the past few years following this site.

  7. Just Lee again says:

    ES back to where it broke down yesterday 1214 ish

    How about CL ? U know theyre not making anymore I heard ?
    prob a cheap short if anything
    dont chase longs thats fer sure

  8. wldcttr says:

    tony, just looking at the long-term chart on spx, to see if it helps define bull/bear. http://www.screencast.com/t/XsjEmxQLcrr
    1. at this point, the current correction of 21% is only slightly more than the 17% correction experienced in 2010 – i would think primary 2, being of a larger degree, would be bigger.
    2. the similarity to the mar 08 period can be seen even more with the 200-week ma supporting the market, with a retest of the 50-week that came in may 2008. we recently held the 200-week and the current 50-week is 1266 and counting.
    3. there is a larger inverted H&S from 09 low that would target 1,900 (call it crazy), if we can hold here. there is also a smaller H&S that could be forming here, and a breakdown would target low 800s.
    obviously, everyone interprets charts differently – but just thought i’d throw this out there. fwiw.

  9. Update: That 100 point rally (all posts reference the Dow, not S&P) last hour was the smart money getting in for the imminent next leg up, which will start tomorrow if we close lower today. I have a hunch that they will indeed let the market close lower. It they do, will go long at the close today and look for an immediate rally, starting exactly tomorrow. If market closes higher today, will hold off. Knowing this in advance allows one to catch moves at their outset and reap maximum profits.

  10. Per my post of 9:40 pm last night, it looks like we are indeed going to get a lower close today, in which case the Dow Jones Industrial Average will commence its next rally / up leg tomorrow, October 21, 2011. Odds: 98-100%.

    Contrary to popular opinion, there is a “crystal ball” out there, one need only find it.

    • Dow up 100 points since my post. Buy signal will only be generated today if Dow closes lower.

      Blanket disclaimer for all past, present, and future posts: each person is entirely and singly responsible for his or her own investment/trading decisions; my posts are my own insights and not recommendations, etc., etc., etc.

      Note of caution to all: last night I received an email from a large EWT proponent, which listed several of their recent predictions. What matters is not how many accurate predictions one makes, but rather how many accurate predictions relative to a lack of inaccurate ones. Tony is just about the only EWT guy that gets it right a good percentage of the time. Would beware of the others, always look at one’s actual (not edited/selective) track record.

      • Igor says:

        “Tony is just about the only EWT guy that gets it right a good percentage of the time.”
        Neely is keeping the second place :-)
        http://www.neowave.com/performance.asp

      • lol Igor. Tracked some of Neely’s predictions a few years ago and concluded that he was better than most but still not great for making actual/consistent money. Could be different now.

      • Igor says:

        I dropped his forecasting service half a year ago. He was struggling to make the right call. What bothered me most of all was that he consistently went against his own rules, trying to identify the current wave pattern. He wrote the best EW book though, a lot of valuable stuff.

      • rc1269 says:

        So if the mkt closed right now, Dow +45, then you see us continuing lower?

  11. wldcttr says:

    whether the sideways pattern – triangle? – we have had this month is a continuation or topping – i think we’re at an inflection point here.

  12. OK Got it. Major b (black) rally. So what confirms the end of b? Sorry for silly Qs.

    • tony caldaro says:

      A downtrend reversal, confirmed, into the beginning of Major C.The first two uptrends were 15 and 18 trading days.So anywhere into, or after, that period we should start looking for a high.Today, btw, is the 13th day for this uptrend.

  13. Hi Tony – With the change in count, what will be the confirmation that Primary III has begun? Do you still think we could make new lows on the SPX before II is over? Thanks! Donna

  14. Just Lee again says:

    saw this on the net
    *MERKEL SAYS DEPOSIT HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID TO CATERER SO MIGHT AS WELL JUST HAVE THE MEETING – RUMOR …pretty funny

  15. vishal409 says:

    Guys where do you see SPX at tomorrows option expiry?
    Views please, i know no one has a crystal ball

  16. blubrd67 says:

    The Philly Fed diffusion index rose to 8.7 in October from negative 17.5 in September. This is the first positive reading in three months. Readings above zero indicate expansion. The increase was much larger than expected. Economists were expecting the index to improve only to negative 10.0

  17. rc1269 says:

    Good morning, Tony et al

    Very interesting market for sure. I am in the credit markets and I’ll tell you what I’ve been observing lately. There seems to be crisis fatigue in the credit markets. Being one of them, I know there is indeed a lot of credit cash sitting on the sidelines, thinking credit is cheap and just waiting for the time to buy. A little rally has instilled some fear of missing the rally, which often is self reinforcing. Combine that with the crisis fatigue, headlines don’t really scare anymore, and the thought that “who really cares about Europe, our companies in the US seem to be doing fine” and it feels like the mkt could be setting up to rip higher.

    From an economic perspective I do find it somewhat odd though, as I truly think news and conditions will get worse from here rather than better. Ultimately I would hope markets would follow those fundamentals, but I suppose that’s not always the case.

    Greece is nearly irrelevant at this point, in my view. The market has Greece fully priced in, and has for some time. The real issue now for Europe is that I believe they’ve pushed themselves too far on the road to their own recession. I don’t see how that is avoided at this point, regardless of a Greek “solution.” Everyone in the world knows that adding debt to a debt problem doesn’t solve the problem, yet every solution presented thus far is built on that premise. And most perplexing, despite the near certainty of failure to solve the problem, the markets still treat these headlines and ‘plans’ as positive news.

    If the Eurozone, being China’s largest customer , starts declining then I don’t know how that doesn’t accelerate the issues China is already dealing with. Couple that with the complete disaster that is the Chinese banking system, and there appear to be cracks forming in the country that is the largest driver of the global growth story.

    The Challenger job cuts (announed future job cuts) have risen to a level consistent with the last recession. These are future job losses, not current. There is no equitable way to fix our housing market. Supply is enormous, potential buyers are disenchanted, existing buyers are underwater and can’t refinance. Any refi subsidy will only serve to reward the few and be a disadvantage to the many. Earnings seem fine right now, but when I combine the path of Europe and China and where that leaves the US, I struggle to see the light anytime soon when I follow the natural chain of cause and effect to its conclusion.

    In summary, my internal economist is really struggling to gel with any bullish count. I do realize that bear markets end and bull markets begin well before the data/news/earnings turn positive again. That said, I feel like the economic cycle is *just beginning* to get worse, much less nearing the middle or end of being worse. Either way it feels much too premature to me for a longer term bullish cycle to be beginning. A shorter term rally? Sure. Rates are low, there’s cash to put to work, and as long as the world doesn’t end there will be some buying. But if data is still trending increasingly worse 6-12-18 months from now, can a bull market be sustained?

    My 1.8 cents. Any opinions and criticism warmly welcomed. And happy Wednesday.
    -rc

    • tony caldaro says:

      Hi RC, Thank you for the perspective.Agree with most of what you stated.Economic numbers in the US are still deteriorating.The FED is sitting on their hands waiting to see what happens in Europe.This has been a liquidity driven market.

    • We heard gasps on CNBC when housing starts were announced…that sector is going to underpin the current bull market… Seems like a blasphemy right now but we will see!

      • tony caldaro says:

        watch building permits

      • Indeed Building permits were the biggest drag on LEI… yet methinks that when CNBC runs this add in the far east ” if u have 250k USD u can buy not 1, not 2 , not 3 , not 4 but 5 geniune US properties with high rental yield” then we can’t go lower …may not go higher in a jiffy either…. I sometimes wonder .. whether an arb exists in buying those beautiful houses for 25k – 50USD .. stripping it and shipping it to Asia for a profit…will not do it because I am just too lazy… but 25k USD for a house is simply ridiculous…u won’t be able to afford a room in a Bombay slum for 25k USD…. Cheers!!!

    • Great anecdotal post, rc. See my comment above that I just posted (12:00 pm). It confirms your hunch that another round of cash is about to take the market higher, starting tomorrow, October 21, 2011.

  18. Just Lee again says:

    1204 ESZ support still until its not

  19. wldcttr says:

    great update tony. learn & live. fail to & die.
    market has been tricky these past few months. i think the bullish count has merit. but just in case, can corrective B waves can be 535 (and look impulsive)?

  20. We go from looking for 1010 or 950 or lower on SP 500 during this bear to Primary wave 3 eh? Im an elliott wave guy, but that is why people love it or hate it, lol. At any rate, copper looks like its in a 5th wave down heading to 2.76, the June 2010 lows. If so, I see another big drop hitting the bulls upside the head commencing within days. My charts here: http://chart.ly/laemuk4 and Copper leads the SP 500: http://chart.ly/ihn4wfv

  21. Just Lee again says:

    Gaddhafi killed..another non event like OBL killing/staged killing/birthday party ?

  22. vishal409 says:

    Tony when you say We will be downgrading the current counts, by one degree, on all eight of these world indices does that mean you are bearish going ahead more than what you were in 2010?

    • tony caldaro says:

      Vishal, No. It actually means longer term we are more bullish.

      • vishal409 says:

        Thanks Tony that’s good news as and when you post it I request you to cover BSE Sensex as well, indexwise atleast I beleive we are still in a bull Market

        No bear Market confirmed yet

      • tony caldaro says:

        Vishal,The Sensex certainly looks like a bear market.Not confirmed by OEW yet.But neither is the SPX.

      • vishal409 says:

        Ok, actually what i meant was that from i limited knowledge of elliotwave its difficult to count 5 waves from march 2009 lows,a lot many people concur with that, is it possible we completed the fourth wave down last month, and fifth and final wave to come? or is that too optimistic/unrealistic.
        Theres a term which has helped me a lot in tarding-”KNOW THY ENEMY”, many a times we get too obsessed with one view and ignore the other, so i thought i should ask you as you are the best and your view matters

      • tony caldaro says:

        Vishal, Appreciate your confidence, but I’m not a guru nor perfect by any means.The entire rise in the Sensex, from Mar09, looks quite choppy.Since many follow the Nifty I will take a look at that index to see if it’s any clearer.

  23. jaja2121 says:

    Wow Tony. So if I’m understanding this correctly we are at an extremely important juncture. Is there a line in the sand price wise that we should be thinking about if we are indeed in Primary 3 up?
    Would this development change any of your other counts? Commodities. Currencies? Thanks!

    • tony caldaro says:

      Hi JaJa, No line in the sand yet.The important thing is whether or not this uptrend is corrective or impulsive.Uptrends during bear market should be corrective.This should not change out opinions on any of the other asset classes.

  24. Hi Tony,

    Mr. Jeremy du Plessis, the globally acknowledged “Guru” on Point & Figure Charting Method is currently in India. His views on American markets and Indian markets, as discussed by him, in an interview on CNBC-TV18 is available here.

    Video link – http://bit.ly/rdGlau
    Text link – http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/fii-view/nifty-could-go-down-to-4394-if-4758-doesnt-hold-expert_602295.html

    Hope it helps.

    With Regards,
    Praveen Vishnu Shamain

  25. Got a sell signal last Friday but market is now setting up for a quick reversal back up. Not confirmed yet but a down day tomorrow will likely do the trick.

    Tony, great work as usual, looking forward to hearing about the ramifications for your adjustment to the cycles noted in tonight’s update.

  26. Im still kind of waiting for IWM to hit 71.50, which it got close but couldnt pull off quite today. So Im still largely in cash, with some scalp trading here and there… but being patient for a great set up. I still get the feeling most traders are generally bullish to cautiously bullish…. everyone seems to be looking for 1240-1257 etc etc… and Im just not sure about it. Again, my bet is we fall to that 1149 level before we can try a run…
    cheers all

  27. rfijoydeep says:

    Watchout for this months’s expiry @1250 spx level.
    cheers!

  28. Time for an all in bet is nigh! Cheers Tony!

  29. Lee Walmart is going to fire 1500 employees ! at least steal some golf balls before …

  30. Igor says:

    Today BPI of 5 market sectors added 2% each in my theoretical sector portfolio model: Basic Materials, Capital Goods, Energy, Healthcare and Utilities. The market internals keep improving, no sign of weakness, all sectors are in a buy mode. I think we are going through the consolidation stage before the next leg up.
    http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID3474785&cmd=show&disp=p

  31. m1, Im willing to consider your count for sure, we will see what happens. THe analogs to 2008 are amazingly similar and cant be ignored just yet. I think we rallied about 150 odd SP 500 points then off the lows, then started another 5 waves down…. only this time it’s happening alot faster.

    • M1 says:

      Yes they are…but if we go higher NDX will probably hit new highs… and if NDX makes new highs I guess things may be different… if the count is correct we should see the start of the new leg down quite soon..five waves down…
      There are other addicional alt bearish counts…
      But I can not rule out the bullish case either…alert and watching

  32. M1 says:

    These are the same charts posted during the weekend…it looks they are still valid, but we need a “bang” to be more confident a new leg down may be underway
    http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID4067322

  33. M1 says:

    Thanks Tony,
    … so wave B could be in place ?? … shouldn’t it be labeled in green ?

  34. mike7x says:

    Great update today Tony, as usual. With the market volatility we’re seeing your updates are as significant as ever now! Thanks! :)

  35. Thanks Tony!
    AT 1233 its a 61.8% fib of 1010-1370, in case anyone is wondering… its kind of a good line in the sand to watch. I got another sell signal today on IWM (Russell 2000) index late in the day, now the 3rd one in a few days. I believe that Index leads market up and down, and so does Copper to an extend. Copper may have hit a head and shoulders 10 day top and is rolling over as well now, down 2.8% today. Between the IWM signals and Copper confirming… everyone should be on guard for this B wave down or Wave 2 down from 1231/33 highs of yesterday. Tomorrow is fibonacci day 13 trading wise counting the lows in October… and options expiry tends to market bottoms and tops intermediately EVERY month. I’d say caution is the rule still… and we still can’t really confirm a new Primary 3 yet or if this is an ABC followed by 5 big waves to the downside like 2008-09.
    Best of luck to all

  36. Just Lee again says:

    Very cool read Tony
    Thanks

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