REVIEW
Another impressive week for the bulls: SPX/DOW +5.45%. We have seen quite a few of these since the bear market began, mixed in with some just as impressive downweeks: w/e July 01st S/D +5.5%, w/e August 26th S/D +4.5%, w/e September 16th S/D +5.05%. Economic reports for the week were light but still trending lower. On the uptick: retail sales, business inventories and the M1- multiplier. On the downtick: the trade/budget deficits, consumer sentiment, the monetary base, the WLEI, and jobless claims rose. Remaining unchanged were import/export prices. That’s 3 up and 6 down if you’re counting. Equity markets worldwide had impressive gains, especially the NDX/NAZ in the US +7.65%. Asian markets gained 3.1%, European markets were +3.2%, the Commodity equity group rose 7.6%, and the DJ World index gained 5.4%. Next week’s economic reports will be highlighted by industrial production, the CPI/PPI, housing and the FED’s beige book.
BEAR market rallies, and BULL traps
After the recent low at SPX 1075, a week ago tuesday, the market has had quite a strong rally over the past nine trading days. A general agreement to recapitalize European banks, when needed, has ignited an uptrend in their equity markets. All five European indices we track are in confirmed uptrends. Generally, equity markets, worldwide, have followed with rallies of their own. The US market has rallied 14.0% over this period with the tech stocks, (the NDX), displaying the greatest strength. During this rally, some investors et al, have turned bullish and others cautiously bullish. We are not in either of those camps long term, only medium term during this uptrend.
We noted last week, the most obvious count was five waves down into the SPX 1075 low to complete a Primary wave A decline. Primary wave B would now likely retrace 50.0% to 61.8%, (1223-1258), of the entire decline from SPX 1371 to 1075. And, the rally would offer another opportunity to hedge one’s portfolio. We expected this uptrend would be choppy and last one to two months. What has occurred, instead, is a spike up rally, with three 20+ point pullbacks along the way, reaching the 50.0% retracement level in a matter of only nine trading days. This type of market activity is a bit odd for a typical bear market rally. However, B wave rallies during bear markets can sometimes look like new bull markets. We have seen these types of spike up rallies before. In 2008.
A general review of the Sept08-Jan09 time period uncovered four incidents of this type of volatility. Sept. 18th 2008 kicked off a two day 11.6% rally which failed to generate an uptrend. Oct 10th 2008 kicked off a three day 24.1% rally which failed, and Oct 28th kicked off a six day 18.9% rally which also failed. Only the Nov 21st 20.9% rally, lasting five days, continued higher into Jan 2009, for a total gain of 26.5%, generating an OEW uptrend. None of these four rallies ended the 2007-2009 bear market. The one that did, was a nine day 20.2% rally starting on Mar 6th 2009. Before that fifth spike up rally, the market had completed five waves down into Mar08, a B wave rally into May08, and then another five waves down into Mar09 to complete a zigzag pattern. Our current market has only just completed the first five waves down. And, bear markets are not five wave patterns.
Another bullish view that has been circulating is what one might call; ‘a bull trap scenario’. This scenario suggests that real bear markets lure investors into thinking the small downtrends are only corrections during a bull market. Then when most are bullish again after a big rally, despite the previous drop, the bear market collapses taking many portfolios with it. The bear, the scenario suggests, does not make its presence known early in the bear market, but much later. The theory is; “If this was really a bear market it wouldn’t have tipped its hand so early with the nasty August decline. These nasty types of declines occur in corrections of bull markets, and not bear markets.”
We reviewed the previous two bear markets to determine if their beginning was any different than the beginning of this one, including that August drop.
2000: Eleven months into that bear market we observed a decline of 19.3%, a nice rally, and then the bottom fell out.
2008: Eight months into this bear market we observed another modest 20.2% decline, a nice rally, then we all know how that ended.
2011: So far five months into this correction/bear market we have observed a similar 21.6% decline, now a nice rally, then … While 2000 could be considered a bull trap, we really did not notice much of a difference between 2000, 2008 and 2011. In fact, the beginning of 2008′s bear market compares quite favorably, wave for wave, with the recent 2011 decline. All three simply look like the beginning of bear markets. And, the impressive rallies have all been bull traps until the bear market ended with a completed OEW pattern.
LONG TERM: bear market highly probable
While reviewing the charts we observed a situation that is unique to OEW. During the previous two bear markets, i.e. 2000-2002 and 2007-2009, the monthly RSI hit neutral on each of their B wave rallies. This is noted in the monthly chart below with two blue arrows in the RSI section of the chart. Now observe, this anticipated B wave rally is approaching that very same RSI level.
Also of note, now referring to our weekly chart below, is the weekly RSI during the last bear market. Notice how it hit overbought just before that B wave rally concluded.
We continue to count this highly probable bear market as five Major waves down completing Primary wave A at the recent SPX 1075 low. Completed bear markets are not five wave structures so we have no reason to change the count. Primary B wave rallies, however, can last for weeks (maybe this one), months (2001 and 2008), or even a year (1938-1939). We have no way of knowing, ahead of time, how long one might last.
What they do have in common is that they normally retrace 50.0% to 61.8% of the entire previous decline. Since this one is moving quite fast, and we’re expecting a more moderate bear market than 2007-2009, it may conclude in a matter of weeks. Our original projection was for a month to two months, and we will remain with that for now. Once it does conclude we expect bear market low support at one of the three Fibonacci levels posted on the weekly chart.
MEDIUM TERM: uptrend high SPX 1225
This week all four major US indices confirmed uptrends, but only four of the nine SPX sectors have confirmed. This uptrend, thus far, appears to be quite selective. While the market has soared 150 SPX points, 14%, in just nine trading days. It has had three pullbacks between 21 and 29 SPX points. Our short term OEW charts have remained positive since around SPX 1130. This suggests this rally is only Major wave A of an expected ABC Primary wave B.
Remember we expected Major wave A to get overbought, Major B oversold, and Major C overbought again. The market is currently starting to get overbought on the daily chart. This suggests Major wave A is likely going to conclude within the OEW 1222 pivot range. After a 150 SPX point rally and another negative divergence on the hourly we believe this is a good possibility. After Major wave A concludes, the market should experience a fairly big pullback for Major B, then rally again to complete Major wave C.
Since this recent rally has been quite strong, we have added another Fibonacci retracement level to the current 50.0% (SPX 1223) and 61.8% (SPX 1258) levels, 70.7% (SPX 1284). We have OEW pivots at 1222, 1261 and 1291. So this additional level also fits the Primary wave B scenario. Should the market rally above this last level then we may have to rethink what exactly is unfolding in this volatile market. These levels are posted on the daily chart above.
SHORT TERM
This week we received another WROC buy signal coincident with a confirmed uptrend. Some of you will remember the last time that happened. It was in August, only a few days before that uptrend topped at SPX 1231. This does not bode well for this uptrend.
We are marking the current high with a tentative green Major wave A label. The market may rally a few more points but we believe it will remain within the OEW 1222 pivot range. The technicals display a double negative divergence on the hourly chart, plus a weakening MACD. This is usually a prelude to a pullback of some degree. We also observe negative divergences on smaller timeframes as well. Since this rally has been fairly steady with small pullbacks for its length. It has been difficult to count the internal waves with any degree of certainty. A decline below SPX 1200 would suggest a Major wave B pullback is underway. Short term support is at the 1222 pivot, the low 1200′s and then the 1187 pivot. Short term resistance is at the low 1230′s, then the 1240 and 1261 pivots. Best to your trading!
FOREIGN MARKETS
The Asian markets were all higher on the week for a net gain of 3.1%. No confirmed uptrends yet.
The European markets all rose gaining 3.2%. All five indices are in confirmed uptrends.
The Commodity equity group all rose as well gaining 7.6%. No confirmed uptrends here either.
The DJ World index has not confirmed an uptrend but gained 5.4% on the week.
COMMODITIES
Bonds remain in a downtrend and lost 0.6% on the week.
Crude has yet to confirm an uptrend but gained 4.9% on the week.
Gold appears to be uptrending and gained 2.5% on the week.
The uptrending USD ran into quite a turbulent currency week losing 2.7%. The EUR rallied 3.7% and the JPY lost 0.7%.
NEXT WEEK
Monday kicks off the economic week with the NY FED at 8:30, then Industrial production at 9:15. On tuesday we have the PPI and the NAHB housing index. Then on wednesday the CPI, Housing starts, Building permits and the FED’s Beige book. On thursday, weekly Jobless claims, Existing home sales, the Philly FED, and Leading indicators. Friday is Options expiration. The FED gets active again this week with four speeches from four different members. This is a rarity! On tuesday, FED chairman Bernanke gives a speech titled; “The Effects of the Great Recession on Central Bank Doctrine and Policy” at the Boston FED. On thursday, FED governor Tarullo gives a speech at Columbia in NYC. On friday FED governor Yellen gives a speech in Colorado. Then on saturday FED governor Duke gives a speech in Virginia. Looks to be a very interesting week. Best to you and yours!
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Hi Tony!
With AAPL and IBM heading towards the stars and broad market going down. How do you read that? Should we see the spx go like that in a few years?
Thank´s for your effort!!
/PDE
PDE,May not take a few years to see that.Maybe just a few months to set it up.
Just gotta say… Thanks Tony for the best site
on the net! Secondly David Bannister great calls
on Gold recently… You might have the Midas touch here!
I second that. Nice job David.
Good stuff Tony
Thanks
Lee, How about those Cards!
THE RED BIRDS ARE FLYIN HIGH !!
Imagine now if their starting pitching comes back to life ?
Underdogs again against Texas which I agree with …Texas is pretty amazing also
Are the Cards in an X wave up from Sept ?
New lows in ES oh the humanity
Lee,Cards beat Philly 3 of 4 in Philly, and beat the Brewers 5 of 6 in their run for the wild card.Luckily they got to face both teams again in their run to the Series.Texas beat up Tampa and the Yanks last year, then was stopped cold by the Giants NL pitching.This year they beat up Tampa and Detroit, but have to face Cards NL pitching.Texas was 9 – 9 against the NL this year.The entire Card starting pitching staff is well rested having pitched 5 or less innings over the past week or so.Advantage Cards!
Tony
I’m impressed as usual
If the Cards win this whole thing start counting 9 months from the nite they win it..should be an population explosion in Southern Illinois. Hell my Dad even kissed my Mom last nite
Oh no, more big wheels and then pickup trucks
Takes more than one kiss to win a series.
I hear that Tony !
I think I saw you in this vid
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=30822
I dont expect gold to exceed the 2011 highs til Spring of 2012… I still think there could be one more test of 1530′s, and possibly 1440-1450 yet.
One more technical view on Gold:
http://blogs.stockcharts.com/canada/2011/10/an-indepth-review-of-gold.html
Thanx Igor the fact that the lone bull in town is tired, is making many people restless
Hi vishal,
I have checked support and resistance trend lines for GLD on PnF chart, may be it will be interesting for you:
GLD is in
Major bull trend with current support at 93
Intermediate bull trend with current support at 142
Minor bull trend with current support at 158
Short-term bear trend with current resistance at 166
fwiw
Watch the MA 34 signal.
Two sell signals now on IWM *Russell 2000*. Should be a pullback of another 7% plus here
Thanks David. When / At what levels were the 2 sell signals generated?
Catch
Hi Tony.
I notice that following the Major 3 spike in 2006, Gold remained range-bound for over a year.
Do you think something similar may happen here, with the price remaining in the 1490-1900 range until Q4 of 2012?
Alex,The charts would suggest yes.But historically fifth waves are pretty explosive.
Tony gold finished the potential third wave with a flurry or rather a blowout something similar to what a fifth wave wave would do
Just like we were expecting S&P to top around 1550 odd earlier in the year which it ultimately topped out at 1370, what odds would you give that what we saw this yearvin gold was the fifth wave
Since it hasn’t corrected as deep as what silver did after making a top I feel the above might be doubtful, what Dyu think
Vishal, No change in opinion.If Europe is increasing their monetary base $2 tln, it will cost more Euros to buy Gold.
Vishal, my opinion is it’s highly unlikely Gold has topped this year.
Previous bull markets in Gold have always lasted 13 years, which points to 2014 as the end date.
Also they seem to straddle cycle degree corrections in stock markets.
E.g. The last bull market in Gold began in 1967, six years before the 1973 stock market crash; and it ended in 1980, six years after the 1974 bottom in stocks.
This bull market in Gold began in 2001, six years before the 2007 stock market decline, and it therefore should end six years after the March 2009 stock market bottom, i.e. in early 2015.
There are other reasons too.
Here is the alternate crazy man count on the decline from 1370. 1230 double top for ABC 4th wave topped this morning in futures trade, and now we head to 5th wave low. Its maybe 20% scenario at best for me, but I think one of the posters here was trying to put it out there. I labeled a chart showing what I think he meant…
http://chart.ly/9qcn2e2
Best of luck to call and cheers
I would agree, but NDX makes me think another count should unfold
ASTRO Update Moon Declination…
http://astrofibo.blogspot.com/2011/10/moon-cycle-september-october-2011.html
Dont forget the 08 vs 11 analogy chart http://chart.ly/h6xcat8 Click it to enlarge… its quite amazing. Also, and its a crazy crazy scenario… but I could fudge a case for an ABC 4th wave that is ending near the 1231 re-test A wave high…. just putting it out for fun… would mean 105 on SPY is a target… hey, who knows… just playin
Did not get official sell signal on IWM Yet, the gap is 71.52, then I think a decline from there may trigger it. I will post today if I get it… but 1229/1231 is a LIKELY top here with 38% retrace at least of this now 150-155 point rally (155 likely)
New info on Europe plan. I guess this will be highly bullish for the market. Tony, any comments? Or anyone else?
“Germany and France are spearheading a multi-trillion dollar “shock and awe” programme expected to be agreed next weekend and presented the following week at the G20 summit in Cannes.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8829413/Europe-in-2-trillion-rescue-bid.html
That article does not suggest anything new other than they have a week to figure it out. The $2 trillion would come by the ways of leverage, not hard cash. That is old news as well.
The amount mentioned in this “shock and awe” approach seems to be higher than what they’ve been tossing around before.
thx Blubrd
Maybe you all read stocktiger….. but in case someone doesn’t…….
http://srv.ezinedirector.net/?n=5111389&s=133657147
Hi guys!
Actually, 5 sectors are on a Bull confirmed signal now: Cons. Cyclical, Capital Goods, Transportation, Technology and Financial. The time will tell if the current rally has legs, but for now the market breadth confirms the validity of this rally.
Came back yesterday. Read two powerful Tony’s weekend updates. Thank you Tony.
What a week! A lot of changes in sector breadth. All sectors in a buy mode now. 8 sectors from 9 left an oversold territory except the Healthcare sector. It’s a defensive sector and investors prefer to move their money into other sectors first. The most progress is seen in the Consumer Cyclical sector with BPI at 52%. This sector is very economically sensitive and such an improvement tells about investor willingness to park money there. Let me guess, the earnings season looks promising
(Calculation of the sector BPI is based on my sector theoretical portfolio)
http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID3474785&cmd=show&disp=p
Great post Tony thanks again.
Any thoughts on Fridays Zweig Breadth Thrust confirmation?
Oct 14, 1974
Jan 8,1975
Aug 20, 1982
Aug 6,1984
May 25, 2004
& in March 2009
Were some of the dates of confirmation, and other than 2004, these times coincided with very powerful rallies/start of bull markets.
Hi JaJa, Oct 14, 1974 … bear market ended in Dec74 Jan 8,1975 Aug 20, 1982 Aug 6,1984 May 25, 2004 … in between a correction during a bull market & in March 2009 Think it was customized to fit the 1970′s – 1980′s as it missed the entire move from 1987-2000.
ASTRO Update Moon Declination September-October 2011…
http://astrofibo.blogspot.com/2011/10/moon-cycle-september-october-2011.html
What’s with this whole wall street protests and all going on? What’s the issue?
Jobs and Banksters
Good time for B wave?
Tony answered your question Vishal, but the backdrop is Tyler Durden abyss-type journalism, which people have accepted as truth.
I like to present the more optimistic things will work out outlook – better to embrace with optimism than to shun with negativity.
Fiona, My glass is half full too
Hi Tony,
Sorry for posting this in a separate thread, but apparently I can’t reply directly without signing up for a WordPress blog.
I don’t mean to be argumentative, but in what sense is the count (repeated below since I couldn’t reply) too bearish? It explains what looks like three waves down into the Oct 4th low, and it explains why this rally has come so far so fast – it’s a C wave not an A. Also, under this count wave 2 has retraced about 50% of wave 1 at the current C wave high. Do you see specific reasons the count is invalid, or a reason to think the retrace needs to go higher? I respect your analysis and appreciate your sharing your views on this. Thanks.
(original post: What do you think of the count that has a wave 1 (or A if you prefer) bottoming on August 9th, and a wave 2 (or B if you prefer) flat since then? We would be near the top of subwave c of that wave 2/B right now, about to start a wave 3/C down. In this scenario, the decline into Oct. 4th (which sure looks like three waves down) would be a b wave of the wave 2/B flat.)
Jim, glad you reposted. Misunderstood your count.We have three waves down from the top into 1102.The flat as you say, would then have to be an inverted irregular flat.It’s an abstract count in that the three waves down would have to be an A.Then the three wave irregular flat a B, as you also noted.Possible.
COMPX Fibo…Time Ratio…
http://astrofibo.blogspot.com/2011/10/compx-fibotime-ratio.html
Hi Tony,
Here is the link…. these alt counts suggest the same count for the 4 major indexs…not a split market as it looks in the preffered count.
These also suggest the countertrend structured may be completed or abt to be completed and a new structure to the downside could start soon.
http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID4067322
M1, odd but a legitimate count
M1, When it comes to a fragmented market I always default to the DOW.
Thanks Tony, I guess the next weeks should clear the count…but it may be quite difficult to read as well… we could see a new abc down and the whole structure may look as an abAabBabC.
GL
Thanks Tony for another thoughtful update.
I find this interesting
http://content.screencast.com/users/springheel_jack/folders/1106/media/49bd2508-4816-41db-82c4-fc531e971ede/110620%20Gann360%20SPX%2067%20Day%20Cycle%20Chart.png
Do you think protestors are more visible at market tops or bottoms?
http://blog.kimblechartingsolutions.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/500risingfibsupportlevelsoct13.gif
…..another interesting chart…
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Tony, thank you for yet another very informative weekend update.
I have a question: will the eventual conclusion of the current cyclical bear market signal the start of a new cyclical or secular bull in equities?
Welcome Yves, It depends on the timeframe.We’re not expecting a new Secular bull market to begin until the middle of the decade.
Hi Tony,
Thanks for posting your update. What do you think of the count that has a wave 1 (or A if you prefer) bottoming on August 9th, and a wave 2 (or B if you prefer) flat since then? We would be near the top of subwave c of that wave 2/B right now, about to start a wave 3/C down. In this scenario, the decline into Oct. 4th (which sure looks like three waves down) would be a b wave of the wave 2/B flat.
Welcome Jim, That count is a bit too bearish.
The advance off last week’s lows continued all the way into Friday’s closing bell, growing now to 16% in only nine sessions on the leading NDX. This straight-line recovery off new 2011 lows absolutelyhas our full attention. The declining pattern off 2011 highs, as well as other major patterns, tells us to expect this recovery to prove corrective and give way to a resumption of the downtrend at some point in the future. However, with such a massive and direct move, the recovery looks anything but corrective so far. In addition to that, the Techs moved to new recovery highs on Friday, which carried the exuberant NDX to an 80% retracement of the now-distant down leg off 2011 highs. And on top of those things, the Put/Call Ratio is hanging out at levels that suggest most folks are banking on further weakness; a condition that makes it more difficult for price to actually exhibit further weakness. So we have to ask ourselves: Are we missing something here? Why is the longer-term wave pattern pointing one way while price is going nuts in the other direction? Should we be bullish on more than just the near-term? These questions could become very difficult to answer if the recovery continues with such strength in the sessions ahead. But from where we stand right now, the only possible conclusion remains that the larger trend is down, and one way or another, this uber-sharp recovery will prove corrective and give way to further weakness. In other words, we simply have to trust that the very clear wave patterns will prevail, because as we’ve discussed with frequency, there really is no other objective way to look at it.
Tonight, we’ll look at why we remain bearish on the larger time frames, despite continued strength
and the deep retracement on the NDX. From there, we’ll wait to see what price gives us next week
because if the apparent wave labelings are correct, some type of weakness is right around the corner.
Thanks Tony, excellent weekend update as usual.
It still looks like a split market. So pls let me propose these bearish alt counts. I do agree with the bullish alt count posted on the naz daily chart.
http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=1538246,19&cmd=show&disp=e
M1,The chart(s) did not appear.
This must be driving you nuts but this is another area of resistance. The middle of the weekly bollinger band is…..drum roll…..1230.
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX&p=W&yr=1&mn=9&dy=0&id=p54725274567&listNum=1&a=237866927
I forgot to mention that by first half of December the 200 day sma will be in the area of 1265. That would end that was just like the 200 day ema may very well end this one.
That is also near the 62% retracement as well as a key gap at 1261. 1261 was the close on the Friday when the U.S. got downgraded after the close. I have looked at that 1261 level as KEY resistance. Similar level for the Nasdaq Composite is 2693. Naz may test that level on Monday but SPX should have to pull back before testing 1261.
thx Val
Tony,
What do you think of this scenario? The Fib Fan 61.8% level (from 1010-1370) shows resistance at the 50% retrace (1230) while R2 of the Fib Pivot is sitting at 1229. Also, the 200 day ema is at 1234 and by Monday it will be even lower. For those that look at Ichimoku clouds, the upper resistance also happens to be sitting at 1229. All just a funky coincidence? If we break through I would suggest that everyone counts are all messed up and this market fooled a lot of people.
What are your thoughts on a pullback from the 1225-1235 area (50%) with all the noted resistance listed above, a pull back to 23.6% retrace at 1165 (or do you think 1195-1205 38.2% is more likely) (Centerline Pivot Point for Standard and Fib) and then a move to the 61.8% retrace up near 1265 by first half of December. That also happens to be where the Fib Fan, neck line from the H&S and down trend line from the right shoulder all come together.
Curious to hear your thoughts. I am so pissed at myself. I noticed the weekly divergence at the bottom and went long but tried to get cute and catch a pullback. Went 50% short at 1195. Still ahead of the game but disappointed for not just sticking with the trend,
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX&p=D&yr=1&mn=4&dy=0&id=p79619309189&listNum=1&a=243753337
Val, a 50% retracement of the current rally would be typical.1146 pivot?
Tony maybe I missed it but what’s the timeframe for final c wave of this bear Market to finish?
Spring 2012
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Hi Tony,
What do you think of this scenario?
Welcome Val, scenario?
Hi Tony, Thanks for awesome work!!
Don’t you think WROC buy signals and also uptrend confirmation signals are coming quite late in the game especially during Bear market rallies? If an uptrend confirmation happens when most of the move has already occured, then don’t you think some adjustments might be needed in order to get this early (during bear market rallies)?
Scorp, It wasn’t really uncovered for bear markets.Only to lead bull market uptrends before we get an OEW trend confirmation. In fact, the only failures have occurred during bear markets.May need to take another look as to how it performed during the last bear market.
SP500 Cycle 22 33 44 66 99…
http://astrofibo.blogspot.com/2011/10/sp500-cycle-22-33-44-66-99-cd.html
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Great work Tony, and if I may just inject a couple of points:
1. I had discussed here multiple times that people should be open to a Primary wave 2 unfolding in a 3-3-5 fashion to 1088. So far, I still find this valid and we have begun Primary wave 3 up in a bull market. Certainly, the 150 point rally in 9 days would support that potential.
2. Even if that is not correct, and I tend to think it may be a stretch myself…. this rally now has the mclellan oscillators at extreme highs last seen at 1231 and 1220 tops before big pulldowns.
3. In 2010 we bottomed at 1010, a fibonacci fractal. We rallied 120 points, then pulled back 90. In 2011 we bottomed at 1074, just under the 1088 fib…. rallied 150 points… no real pullback yet. I would think a strong pullback is coming, as in 61-78% of that 150 point move.
4. Agree on the A wave marker, that had to be a top on Friday
5. Several Astrologers I follow had a window of the 15th-28th as especially volatile to the extreme, and one says this window has marked market reversals 80% of the time in his research.
6. There is some discussion of an imminent war with Iran, certainly that oughta throw a cog in the bull wheel fast…. the US economy is on the verge of near collapse… and a war certainly is what any President loves to sweep up his approval ratings.
7. At the end of the day, the similarities to 2008 are too eerily the same to ignore… I’d be on guard.
Cheers
25-27/10 and 2-4/11 are Semi-Major GANN turns. The last one 4 – 6/10 marked a clear bottom.
This week is expiry week and these often have a positive bias so I wonder if we can hold up till then for a short term top. It could be a very dramatic fall when it happens.
Thanks Tony for the report and the answers to my previous questions. Cheers to you Dave as well.
Hi David, The only count I can see as a Primary II would be if the decline was an extended flat, like 1987.There are some longer term technicals that suggest this is possible.We shall see when this uptrend concludes and then what the next downtrend looks like.
The entire move off the 2009 low (666-1372) has been about 706 points. Weve corrected down to 1074 – 298 points. 298/706= 42% (close to 38.6%). Isn’t this enough for a primary wave 2 down if in fact the entire first move is a primary wave 1 up…? Must we correct 61.8% or more?
Tommy, No, a 61.8% decline is not necessary during a bear market.Typical but not necessary. The problem I have with a potential Primary II low here is the SPX/DOW wave count.They both look like five waves down from the high.While some sectors have risen quite dramatically, like the Transports and Commodities in 2008, it will/did not change the outcome.
Tony wouldn’t you agree that when comparing past markets to current ones there are some very key ingredients that need to be reviewed – like internals? In the previous 2000 and 2008, market internals were weak for a while before the bear appeared. In 2000, the internals were weak for about a year and a half before the top even. This is hugely important in identifying bears versus bull market corrections. So far this looks more like the 2010 correction or 1998 Fall correction based on internals. The next couple months will obviously reveal the markets true nature.
Tommy, Depends at what technicals you monitor.Except for the NYAD, the top formation displayed all the signs of an oncoming bear market.
Thanks Tony…
Interesting post, David, thank you. Did you get that official sell signal yet?
Great weekend update, Tony. As usual.