REVIEW
The week started off with a meltdown in Europe. They lost 4.35% on monday while the US markets were closed. When the US market opened on tuesday, it gapped down losing about 3%, made the low for the week, rallied nearly 6% from that low, then ended the week with another meltdown in Europe (-3.20%) closing about 1% above the low for the week. Economic reports for the week were sparse with positives edging out negatives four to three. On the plus side: ISM services, consumer credit, the trade deficit and wholesale inventories all improved. On the negative: weekly jobless claims rose, and both the monetary base and the WLEI declined. For the week the SPX/DOW were -1.95%, and the NDX/NAZ were -0.35%. Asian markets lost 2.4%, Europe was -3.9%, the Commodity equity group slid 1.8%, and the DJ World index lost 3.3%. This week we have a plethora of economic reports and it’s Options expiration week.
LONG TERM: bear market highly probable
We have been posting every day, for some time now, “bear market highly probable”. What this means is that we suspect we are in a bear market, by the wave patterns, but it has not yet been confirmed by OEW’s quantitative analysis. The March 2009 to May/July 2011 bull market unfolded in five quantified waves. This is quite clear. We have counted these waves as five Primary waves, expecting this first bull market off the Mar09 Supercycle low to be of a Cycle wave degree. Historically Cycle waves can last anywhere from one (1973-1974) to thirty-three years (1974-2007). The shorter ones are typically bear markets, and the longer ones bull markets.
The recent two year bull market we have currently labeled Cycle wave [1]. It should be followed by a Cycle wave [2] bear market which could end anywhere between 2012 and 2016. We are currently expecting either 2012 or 2014. Both are tech cycle low years, and 2014 is a 4-year presidential cycle low year. Fibonacci relationships suggest a potential low at three specific areas: 38.2% retracement at SPX 1102, (which we already hit exactly); 50.0% retracement at SPX 1018, (which is within a few points of the Primary wave II 1011 low); and 61.8% retracement at SPX 935. Currently we are targeting the Primary wave II low area. We’ll see how the market looks, technically, as it approaches.
MEDIUM TERM: downtrend may have bottomed at SPX 1102
The current downtrend, OEW has not confirmed an uptrend yet, started in early July at SPX 1356. We counted three Intermediate waves down into the early August SPX 1102 low, then a potential 4th wave at SPX 1208 in mid-August, and a potential 5th wave failure at SPX 1121 to end Major wave C. We then expected an abA-B-abC wave uptrend lasting about two months. Thus far the market has followed that scenario.
The abA wave unfolded with a rally to SPX 1191, a pullback to 1136, and then a rally to 1231. The B wave followed with a decline to SPX 1140. Now the ab of the abC appear to be unfolding with a rally to SPX 1204, then a pullback to friday’s 1148 low. What should follow next is a rally to a higher high than SPX 1231. We’re sticking with this scenario but we do see a potential problem.
Typically during this type of wave setup the market internals should improve dramatically. At the lows the percentage of stocks above their 200 dma dropped to 10%. This signalled an extremely oversold condition even for a bear market. Since that low the percentage had risen to 30%, then dropped recently to 20%. We would have expected a more significant improvement in the area of 40% to 50% during this type of wave setup. Thus far it has not occurred. Should the market internals continue to deteriorate it would indicate that the recent rally from 1102/1121 is not the beginning of an uptrend, but an Intermediate wave iv with Intermediate wave v underway now. We have posted this alternate count on the DOW charts. The next fews days of trading should clear up this situation.
SHORT TERM
Support for the SPX is at 1146 and then 1136, with resistance at 1168 and then 1176. Short term momentum is quite oversold. When we review the wave activity since the SPX 1121 low we find the waves to be quite similar. The length of the waves in the abA were: 70 – 55 – 95. Then after the B wave, the length of the abC have been: 64 – 56.
Should the recent SPX 1148 low fail to hold, and the OEW 1146 pivot fail to hold as well, then the similarity would have been broken and the alternate DOW count would come into play. This would suggest that Intermediate wave iv topped at 1231, and the market is now in a Minor 1-2-3 down of Intermediate wave v. Should the 1146 pivot hold support the market would have to rally above the 1176 pivot to turn the short term OEW charts positive again, and the C of the abC would be underway. Since the market closed at SPX 1154 on friday we should know soon either way. Best to your trading!
FOREIGN MARKETS
The Asian markets were mostly lower on the week for a net loss of 2.4%. India’s BSE was the only gainer.
The European markets were also mostly lower losing 3.9%. Switzerland’s SMI gained 1.3%.
The Commodity equity group were all lower for a net loss of 1.8%.
The DJ World index lost 3.3% on the week, and remains in a downtrend along with all the world’s indices.
COMMODITIES
Bonds lost 0.2% on the week but remain in an uptrend as 10YR rates made a new record low at 1.90%. The 30YR yield ticked down to 3.19%.
Crude gained 0.4% on the week in what appears to be a choppy uptrend.
Gold has been quite volatile lately losing 1.4% on the week. We expected it to correct but this uptrend has been quite resilient. Silver, which has been lagging, lost 4.2% on the week.
The USD continued its uptrend in earnest this week gaining 3.3%. The downtrending EUR lost 3.9%, and the JPY lost 0.9%. The bullish 17-year Supercycle in the foreign currencies appears to have rolled over.
NEXT WEEK
Tuesday kicks off a busy economic week with Import/Export prices and the Budget deficit. Then wednesday we have the PPI, Retail sales and Business inventories. On thursday the weekly Jobless claims, the CPI, the NY and Phily FED, and Industrial production. Then on friday Consumer sentiment and Options expiration. The FED has two speeches scheduled, at their headquarters, on thursday. First chairman Bernanke in the morning, and then FED governor Tarullo in the afternoon. The next FOMC meeting in on September 20th and 21st. Also, the G 7 is meeting this weekend. Best to your weekend and week!
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RSI’s +D on Tony’s 60 min. Thanks Tony.
+ 1136 pivot time again with an impulse up on the 5 minute
Get back to work!
I can do this in my sleep
So that’s where you get your market signals
haaaaaa I will
Thanks Lee!
See? U were right that we were gonna miss you. ..
Hi Tony!
Thanks for your effort! Been reading your posts for at least four year. First time asking you a question. Is it possible that the move from 1230 to 1136, whit divergence, is abc in (major) b? Then we should reach 1240,1261 or 1291?
Thanks again Tony!
/PD
Welcome PD, Yes, we were just discussing that possibility.Difficult market.
Just in case: IF interm 5 from 1231 is unfolding, I think 1204-1136 may be minute 1 or minor 3. So I would expect some kind of an extended Interm 5.(related to Interm 4) i.e: 2.62 of I4=338 (+/- 10%)…target: 860-926
pde11: thanks for your comment. Also, the R2K is still above the low of a few days back while DJIA and SPX are below. If that divergence holds => positive. Often R2K leads.
Back 5 weeks ago, even when most were bearish, I mentioned that 1102 was a very important support and should hold the market for at least 1-2 months. (I insisted several times). Thats what I saw at that moment. And I still think this support should hold for abt 1-2 more weeks.
Then I thought 1102 could be wave A and 1231 wave B. With two possible targets for wave C: 935-989 or 750-840.
So lately, I’ve been trying to fit that forecast with Tonys prefferred count.
I see only one chance left: We have a truncated major C wave at 1204 and C is already unfolding.
IF we had 5 waves up from 666 to 1371. Then I think we should not have 5 waves down below 1000. That may suggest wave 1 of 5 is unfolding instead of wave A.
Tony, I would appreciate your opinion. Thanks.
M1, So far we have had three waves down from SPX 1371.Until we get an uptrend confirmation, we’re still in wave three … second decline.Now this decline can be counted as an abc, or a 1-2-3, but nothing more than that at this time.Should we do get five waves down the bear market will not end there.Bear markets are not five waves.Hope this helps.
Thanks Tony, you are right. But I thought we were expecting 3 primary waves ending at some place below 1000 and we have had only 3 major waves. ..OR these are not major waves anymore ??
Still Major waves.The count remains the saem.
Gotta hold 1141 in SPX and rally back over 1150 to setup a W3 up into the close..
http://www.wavegenius.com/2011/09/12/251pm-elliott-wave-midday-update-video-for-9-12-11-gotta-hold-1140-1141-and-rally-back-over-1150-to-setup-a-w3-up/
I find it interesting that, 1)everybody seems to be looking at the broken support at 1140 (here, cnbc, elsewhere) and yet, 2) the selloff refuses to accelerate. In fact, buyers seem to come in. Everybody already positioned for the break perhaps? Or everybody looking at the same thing so it doesn’t happen?
Maybe I’m just reading to much into the micro-moves and we’ll tank tomorrow…
I know in credit mkts (in which i work) the fear still seems to be of missing the rally. Folks are quick to cover their shorts and very late to put them on. Maybe that just speaks to persistent (misplaced) bullishness that needs to be washed out and supportive of further lows. But interesting nonetheless.
I agree with RC anecdotally, I am surrounded by guys looking to put money to work. But anecdotal evidence only works for “Climate Change”…We will see soon enough…Looks like we are testing the break of the channel at 1150, no one expected it to go straight down after the break..Might just be working off oversold levels before breaking lower again.
You could be right re: just working off oversold. Afterall, on 8/3, the day when the SPX broke the neckline, we closed up and back above the level on the day. Shorting at that close proved to be near perfect timing.
We are hitting for the 4th times 1142 today. Quadruple bottoms rarely happen, it looks like we break down from here…. What do you think?
Too late we already did
Isn’t 1,138.88 still within 1146 pivot?
Yes, but it hit 1138.09 … which is not
Boy I am glad I am good at my day job, this market ain’t easy. I went short at the break of 1140, so I would bet the house on a rally here…
Tony, SPX has 5 waves from 1347 to 1102. So I guess NDX should also have 5 waves from 2438 to 2034, right ?. ..and from 2034 to 2268 looks like we have 3 corrective waves.
So I wonder if there is any chance that 2034 was actually Major A/1 and 2268 major B/2 ?..
M1,The NDX is not in sync with the SPX.SPX topped in May, NDX July.Each is moving on its own, being swayed by the other.
Hi Tony ~
What will it take to confirm divergences in the 60 min SP and Dow here?
Many thanks!
Donna
Welcome Dkpa, SPX to drop under 1140.
Elliott Wave Noon Update 9.12.11 – Near 5 Waves Down in S&P DOW and NASDAQ intraday?
http://www.wavegenius.com/2011/09/12/1215pm-elliott-wave-noon-update-video-for-9-12-11-near-5-down-in-the-sp-dow-and-nasdaq/
OK, so we’re still teetering here on the brink…& 1140 even is still a big deal on the P&F, i.e. a psbl. breakdown
…two guys fell off the Sears tower…one of them, the pessimist, says: OMG, we’re gonna die…and the other, the optimist, says: it’s only the 4th floor…so far so good..
Lee, what’s up with that tad pole…how much does it pay and where can we see it..
?
Hi HD. I agree with you…Lee stop being a frog and get back in the “catch and relases” program” of equities..and stuff, that is
oops, definitely, “catch and release,”
HWB 1137 from 1151
Lee! What’s up? Hope ur having a Brett Favre moment and coming out of retirement
Tony, is the SPX confirming it’s couont or is the DOW confirming it’s count? or both?
Flat and happy
HD, DOW (intl) is leading
Tony,Do you notice any negative divergences in Gold? Inverse relationship of gold and equities has been negated in the last few days
Vishal, Yeshttp://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$GOLD&p=D&b=3&g=0&id=p60567956693&a=67199592
Hey C B
I’m just a tad pole still
gl guys 1200 by the close
You go Lee!
haaaaaaaa I will !!!
I’m not sure about 1200 but something wasn’t right and I can’t explain it any better.
Dave
I was kidding ..probably a sell at unchanged ..I dont know anymore
Hey Lee,
go get em…and be good to yourself!
GRacias !
Does anyone else get the feeling something is not quite right this morning. Futures are down approx. 2% or better, however oil is down only 1% ?? Gold should be rising but is falling down about 1%. The Euro is rising and the US$ is falling ( approx. time 09:27 ) just seems and feels not right
Dave
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/11/tax-cuts-overseas-profits_n_957333.html Something Obama should have had in his back to work package.
You may be right but I am apolitical, however I guess with what the market is now and what it was projected to be an hour ago this game is as much art as it is science.
Thanks Tony and
Good Luck to all
Dave
thanks tony. so, obviously at key 1146 pivot. if we are in intermediate v of major c now. when finished, would you expect the pending wave up to be an abA-B-abC wave ? retrace 38-50%?
Hi Wldcttr, Yes, at this stage.
Tony break 1146 intraday or close and invalidate count.thanks
Pooch, OEW 1146 pivot range … intraday
What a perfect hit on the open!
Off to C with Lee!
Welcome Fractepper
Hi Tony,
If the SPX traded bellow 1139, would it invalidate the SPX count? Thanks.
The preferred one, Yes
Hi Tony
if we are still in a secular bull market
for comodoties then why would
Fcx ( Freeport everyones favorite
copper play) be in a downtrend
as per your charts . The same downtrend
exists for Xle , Bhp pretty much across
the board for all commodotity stocks. Why
the disconnect and is there just a lag or
head fake down here before they resume up
even oil is downtrending here??
Loonie, All bull markets have corrections.Copper is economic sensitive
Ok thanks Tony!!
Just need a little confirmation
from the master!
Most Bearish Elliott Wave Scenarios for S&P DOW and NASDAQ
http://www.wavegenius.com/2011/09/11/elliott-wave-forecast-video-for-9-12-11-most-bearish-scenarios-for-spx-dow-and-nasdaq/
http://astrofibo.blogspot.com/2011/09/sp500-time-ratio_12.html
http://astrofibo.blogspot.com/2011/09/sp500-fibo_12.html
Hi Tony
I’m looking for a little understanding on the macro
picture here . Inflationary or deflationary ? Looking
at the 10 year yields we can conclude we are in a deflatinary
environment and therefore what happens to
1) gold – up or down in deflation?
2) commodities – up or down
3 ) banks I’m guessing for sure down
4)housing in U.S – down another couple years??
Thanks Tony!
Hi Loonie, FED trying to fight deflation with inflationary monetary policy.Gold moves according to the real value of currencies.Banks contracting, if real deflation sets in they collapse.Housing is trying to bottom, but yes most likely on a national basis.
Thanks again Tony
your wisdom is much appreciated!!
Thanks Tony. Do you mean a theoretical banking collapse due to lack of willingness to borrow by private entities..or sth else ..?
CB, In a real deflationary environment prices, wages decline.Cash is king, and most debt defaults. Ask Bob
Love oneself, or love oneself and all others. It’s a choice. Your future depends on it. Time is short. Make the choice!
Haha …thanks, Tony. “Bob, c’mon talk to us..”
Funny, I saw his book on the shelf here the other day & I was wondering whether to take it along or put it in the storage.. well, it’s a good book & he makes a great point that cash gains in value during deflation…so borrowing is not such an interesting proposition….
Loonie, a great question, btw. Thanks.
hi tony, one question for the time frame of this possible bear. back in 2009-2010 you anticipated the bull last to late 2012 or 2012 and reach levels from 2007. lets assume we are now in the bear -is it possible that as you didnt time the bull – I understand timing isnt easy no offence, the bear doesnt conclude late in 2012 and much sooner lets say this year. now we are in the fifth month and have four to go to the and of year so it would be 9 months bear
http://astrofibo.blogspot.com/2011/09/astro-moon-cycle_11.html
Hi Lirborval, A two year Cycle wave is quite short historically.If people get bearish enough over the next couple months.September and October are historically bad months.We may hit our original target afterall.
you mean if people get bearish enough this will not be a bear market but we will continue bull from 2009 to new highs or at least highs from 2007 and than a bear market will start.
Technically it’s close to being called a bear market.but yes, we could bottom if another panic sets in.
Tony the feeling I get this time around is that emerging markets like India which topped out first around 10 months back will lead the next stage of rebound in equities but it won’t be a V shaped reversal like it did in 2008, time wise do you feel that after achieving downside targets we might have to spend maybe more than one year to begin an impulsive move higher, what is the sense you get as of now?
Hi Vishal, Sensing the market is looking for the final capitulation.Thus far, most stocks are declining and money managers have been running to defensive stocks; i.e. food, insurance, health care.When they capitulate and dump them as well, then we will be very close to a bottom.Western economies are overloaded in debt, which hampers growth.Emerging markets are dealing with inflationary pressures, which hampers growth.Inflation is easier to fix than debt. Yes, emerging markets will likely lead for years to come.
Tony, do you expect the USDJPY to weaken any further, or do you believe this pair has also bottomed out? Also, are you still expecting a low of 4400 on the Nikkei? I was thinking perhaps the USDJPY reaching new lows in 2012 would prompt a similar downtrend in the Nikkei to your target level.
Hi SJS, Yes, we believe it has bottomed out.Still see 4400 as a possibility in the Nikkei
Hi Tony!
Thanks for the great blog.
As Europe seems to be very important at the moment, do you please have a EW count (short term) for the DAX ?
Thanks Tony, do you see any chance 1121 was interm v (major 3) and 1231 major 4 ?
Hi M1, no, no chance at all.
Good…and what abt a flat correction for these major abc allowing major b to fall to abt 1121 ?
M1,We’re still officially in a downtrend.A drop to 1121 or lower would conclude the downtrend is still underway.
Hi Tony,
Thank you for your work.
I have a question about the time period of the 4th wave vs the 3rd wave.
I counted the 3rd wave of primary c to be about 12 days
So if the 4th wave of primary c ended on august 17th at 1208 = 6 days (0.5 of 3rd period)
and if the 4th ended on 8/31 at 1231 this makes the 4th wave period = 15 days
My question is:
Can the 4th wave time period be longer than the 3rd wave.
Thank you
Hi Trader, Not usually, but sometimes a complex correction can unfold in time.
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Tony, I wondered whether you have a target in mind for Int ii in Gold (assuming Patrick’s count is correct)?
I notice Int iii has been substantially larger than Int i throughout the bull market. Since Int i was about 400 points, it looks like Int iii could be as large as 1,200!
Hi Alex, We’re still looking in the $1650 -$1700 area.
I went short at 1195…just like I posted. Covered 1/2 position at 1154…just as posted. I remain short and very cautious. Although I believe we are now in minor wave 3 down… of Int. 5 wave down, which started at 1230……we are still in the window of opportunity for Tonys wave “C” up (barely). This is why I covered 1/2 position for very quick profit…….until this is resolved. I believe Tony has it right….a break above 1176 will mean “C” up is underway……. And a break below 1150 will mean minor wave 3 down is most likely underway and a break below 1140 confirms it. I guess if we always have to contend with 2 possible wave counts…you have to play them both if they are both going in the same direction ( wave “B” and minor wave 3 of INT wave 5…were both going down.) This was a low risk trade that I see David Banister also recognized…congrats Dave.
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The way Europe is going Tony,even my dog thinks one fine day some country will go down, when its so much in the public crisis somehow I feel it won’t happen, what’s your take at this juncture?
Vishal, Either Europe accepts the Euro Bond or they start ejecting countries off the Euro. German investors have completely lost confidence in their government.The DAX has already retraced 61.8% of its bull market in just four months.http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$DAX&p=W&st=2002-10-01&id=p18591009148&a=67423770Unless the ECU becomes financially unified it will not last.
No need for a count, or a fancy chart… just look at this chart. the 13 and 34 cross is a death cross at 1300 on SP 500. The 1370 MA line is another ceiling. THe wedge is bearish… I mean, seriously… anyone looking for a C wave up here is probably going to be in trouble… I think no need to over think here… trade what you are seeing, not what you think. http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX&p=D&yr=0&mn=5&dy=0&id=p53018525162
Best of luck to all but I remain short
How sure are you looking at this
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=IWM&p=W&yr=8&mn=0&dy=0&id=p33002925831&listNum=10&a=216052139
Looks like a bear market to me.
RE Truncated E… Yes, 1204 was in between my 1195-1210 pivot targets for what I was calling a wave 2 up from 1141. I think at 1231 we began wave 5.
1231-1141- 1
1141-1204 -2
Now in 3…. but that is just me… either way, we are short at 300% leverage from 1201 and holding over the weekend. Will assess on Monday the next move. We took 1/2 position for profits of 9% in the morning and are riding remainder for now. STill no panic in markets, still too many bulls.
David,
I agree with your potential waves 1 and 2 down but that would still imply a simple ABC up from 1102-1231 to complete wave iv which is what is looking quite possible to me. After yesterday I give it a 50/50 shot. Do you have a chart with your count?
http://astrofibo.blogspot.com/2011/09/sp500-racap-fibo.html
Russell 2000 chart already predicts breakdown of bear wedge fourth wave, shorted here at 1201. We should likely see 1101 tested, then I have 1088 as the spot where I start buying calls for a trade. Still holding short over weekend. Unlikely in my opinion to see any C wave at all here… instead we had an ABCDE bearish wedge 4th wave, 5 already started… just my 2. Best of luck all. 21 fibonacci trading days ended Thursday from 1101 lows, that was the clue.
David,
I’m assuming you are counting 1204 as a truncated E?
http://www.huntingtonnews.net/9134
Just to funny.
hi tony, thanks for your work… do you still feel confident that commodities will keep on rising into their long term cycle tops with the dollar bottoming and most commodities trading in tandem with stocks? have a great weekend greg
Hi Greg, There may be another shakeout, but generally yes.
Thanks T. Have a great weekend.