REVIEW
The week started off with the market trying to add to last week’s gains. But on monday and tuesday the SPX again had trouble breaking through the 990 pivot and the rally fizzled. For the week the SPX/DOW was down 6.1%, and the NDX/NAZ dropped 8.8%. In the foreign markets: Brazil, Germany, Hong Kong, India and Japan dropped over 10%; while Australia, Canada, China, and the UK dropped less than 5%. Commodities continued their selloff with the CRB -9.3%, Crude -11.1% and Gold -7.3%. Only the USD +4.9%, the Yen +7.6% and Bonds +2.9% advanced. The wealth destruction phase of this bear market continues.
LONG TERM: bear market
At the beginning of the October 2007 bear market from SPX 1576 the downtrends were contained by FED interventions. Surprise rate cuts and new alphabet lending programs were introduced around SPX 1370, and twice around SPX 1270. The market completed three waves down into January (1276), or five waves into March (1257), completing a wave A. Then rallied for two months into May (1440) after BSC was sold for $10/share to JPM over a weekend to complete a wave B. When wave C began the first downtrend was steep (1440-1200). But it was in line with what we had observed thus far in this bear market. When the downtrend bottomed in July a transition took place. Crude, the commodity leader peaked, several currencies peaked or ended uptrends, and the USD started to rally. When the stock market uptrended into August (1313) in a typical bear market rally, the commodity and currency downtrends accelerated. Entering September the new downtrend continued to move along in a organized fashion, commodities and currencies steadied, but Libor started to rise as banks tightened their lending. In mid-September when the Paulson bailout plan was introduced the market surged 130 points to 1265, pulled back to 1179, held for a few days, and then most assets classes started selling off as Libor continued to soar. The financial system had frozen worldwide. Over the next few weeks the market went into panic mode, and has remained there ever since. As a result the market put in a multi-week crash as the SPX dropped from 1265 (the Paulson bailout plan high) to 840, a 34% decline. Over the past two weeks the SPX rallied to 1044 and is now now again close to the lows, as volatility has been intense. Commodities continue to tumble, currencies continue to selloff, and the USD has rallied strongly. After governments worldwide infused funds directly into the capital of troubled banks Libor started to ease. This series of events certainly caught me off guard. What’s next will depend on the interactions between the various asset classes, the activity in the credit default swap market, and the fallout from the credit freeze. The August downtrend is still ongoing, and the support pivots at 848 and then 789 are the important levels to watch.
MEDIUM TERM: downtrend low holding SPX 840
In assessing what has transpired thus far there are two views. The first is three waves down into the January low, then three waves up into the May high, and we are now in the third wave down from the May high. This suggests when this downtrend ends Major waves ABC will end as well, and a sharp counter trend rally should follow. The second is five waves down into the March low, then a simple rally in May, and we are now in the third wave down from the May high. This suggests that when this downtrend ends, the next uptrend will be a weak 4th wave, and then another downtrend will follow to finish a 5th wave and Major waves ABC. This should also lead to a very sharp uptrend rally. The determinig factor as to which scenario unfolds will be the interaction between the various asset classes. The objective now is to determine where we are in this downtrend, and then, attempt to determine the potential levels where it might end. The strength of the next uptrend will define which scenario is the right one.
The downtrend from the August SPX 1313 looks to be in wave 5: 1134 wave 1, 1265 wave 2, 840 wave 3 and 1044 wave 4. In addition it appears to be in wave 3 of the fifth wave. Applying fibonacci relationships to our second scenario 5-3-5. The first support is SPX 833 where wave 3 = 2 x wave 1. The next support is close to the 789 pivot. At SPX 796 waves 3-5 = 2.618 x wave 1, and then at SPX 781 wave 5 = 0.618 x wave 3. Also applying our first scenario ABC, at SPX 802 wave C = 2 x wave A. Therefore we have a cluster of fibonacci relationships around the long term 789 pivot: 781, 796 and 802. Should the SPX 848 pivot fail to hold, let’s look for support at the SPX 789 pivot possibily as early as this up coming week.
SHORT TERM
Support for the SPX remains at 848 and then 789, with resistance at 912 and then 935. Short term momentum ended around neutral. Should the market start making new lows positive divergences are likely to appear on most timeframes. The market is very volatile intraday and this will probably to continue as the VIX made a new high on friday. Also, market breadth made a new low. So the selling pressure continues. Be careful.
FOREIGN MARKETS
The Asian markets continue their downtrends, with Australia and China displaying some relative strength.
The European markets are following the US, and the FTSE is displaying some relative strength with a 7.5 PE.
The Commodity markets continue their extended downtrends, with Canada displaying some relative strength.
COMMODITIES
Bonds rallied this week after making a new low for the year at 111.44 last week.
Crude continues to selloff in one nasty downtrend. After hitting $148 in July it gone straight down to $63 on friday, a 57% decline.
Gold remains in a downtrend from July as well despite the enormous buying in the cash market.
The USD rally has been incredible as the Euro has lost 21% from its July high at 160.
NEXT WEEK
New home sales will be reported on monday and Consumer confidence on tuesday. Then Durable goods on wednesday, and Q3 GDP on thursday with the weekly Unemployment report. On friday, Non-farm payrolls, the CPI, Chicago PMI and another Consumer reading. If that wasn’t enough, the FED FOMC is on tuesday/wednesday, Governor Kroszner gives a speech in NY on thursday, and FED chair Bernanke gives a speech on friday Halloween. Wonder if he will be wearing his bear costume, with Paulson and Bush as they go ‘trick or treat’ in Congress. Speaking of Bush. In February we posted an analysis of the DOW performance for every president since Hoover. Our illustrious leader was doing okay at the time, he was +17.5% over his two terms, and +2.5% annualized. As of friday’s close GW’s "trickle down", "spend till you drop" policies have placed him in a special position on the all time list. He is now "down" 20.9% over his two terms, with an annualized rate of -2.7%. Historically only one president has ever done worse, Herbert Hoover. And on a per year basis only Richard Nixon and Hoover have done worse. But G W still has a chance to move into sole possession of second place by time his term ends in January. Certainly he will be remembered as he makes his mark in American history. Best to your week!
Hi egoldspot,
USD 90 …
Hi Joe,
Should the SPX break below 768 the 2002 low.
The next pivots are:
734, 717, 696, 644 and 606 the 1996 low.
tony
The bueaty of Mother Market is that, even people know market is gonna crash hear it on CNBC, Poeple still go and buy! Ever elusive MM.
With MM you have to patient, you cannot be whinny
So are we going to have a trading halt sometime tomorrow
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Hi Tony, How far do you think will King USD go? Any target\’s?
WoW – this market is unbelievable. Trading in this market without stops/hedges = best way to financial disaster…. Got stopped out at 860.
sold half my shorts at the close, 15 min chart suggest we go up in the AM, if we do not make a new high, this is the wave 3 you\’ve all been waiting for
Made some chickens out of those puppies!
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Lee, I have been waiting for that movie since early part of 2008, now it says 2009…I see I am way off the closing price..
I3…. I miss the old days 4 sure!!!
whens the movie coming out?
Let see if it\’s evening star?
they\’re going to run this puppy up so they can slam it in the AM
Mck,I\’m not being nice to Amos. I apologize. It\’s not kind to make light of the situation.What goes around… I\’m sure I\’ll be nailed to the wall in the future too.As for close, predicting close is useless, all we can do is suggest what we\’d like to see for the bearish count to stay in tact. Retrace .5 of .618 from our top 89x to 86x. I\’d like to close under 880.
Hey ego…u r hot as a pistol and now ur busting out rhymes !!
) Thanks …U2 I3
do you miss the floor? I can\’t wait to see this movie..http://flooredthemovie.com/
Marking time on Fed and ECB decisions. Plus other news on money put to use. Almost guaranteed to disappoint but we shall see. Big move either way with a couple days compression.
Lee, this colsing flush as no lush! It seems it\’s waiting for some news, like Fed etc…
I know, Erik. I just watch it as one more piece of info on market action. I don\’t take a position one way or the other in it. My policies prevent me from trading in under $5 stocks.
hey I3…they\’re a miserable bunch 2 day
close at 880..
Lee, it is kinda unfair since you have friends in the pit…you remind me my trader friend. we used to play what is the closing # for the day..
ok gents last 45 min ..whats the call?
Mckennedy,Don\’t mess with FNM! It\’s got a book value of 18!
Am watching FRE…..trading around $.64 & sinking fast……support at $.25. where\’s Amos? He desparately wanted to buy at $.25
I\’m home from work, so I\’m clogging the blog… I\’ve got nothing else better to do.But, we\’ve got a nice clear, crisp impulsive from the top. Reassuring that the trend isn\’t broken yet.
Had to step away as well. Looked like a choppy EDT into 894 (probably a C) and now a cleaner impulse down. My 15min 55RSI never quite crossed 50 and my 21/34EMAs quickly reversed. Bearish wave 3 of 5 pattern still alive.
Mr. — Hope people did take your position of 200+, and got screwed. Ppl on this post are not forgiving
Neeley just issued long reco.
Half long immediately
Fully long at 859 Dec (824.75 stop)
I said I am done for today… : )
well, I\’m happy I got my nice 200+ rally – right on cue, saw we also got some shorts squeezed on this board. maybe now we can tank
It just sucks! ppl are not buying! Nothin to short for
thanks, Erik….I was getting tired of this mind-less wandering. Also the Dow hit the upper BB of the 2 day 1 min chart! hahaha
I took my nap at 985 after taking my stops off my shorts. I awoke to 970. Nice.Mckinney, way to stick it to the market
Feels so good stating with the trend and Wavecount.
the green and red bars are alternating fairly reliably and green days closes at or near the high. long tails on up days. It feels like swing traders are selling late or at nite on up days then covering a few trading hours later before the opening.
Where\’s Amos? Wasn\’t today suppose to be the bottom according to something he was following?
OK, enough already, going short.
Going up so slowly, sucking everyone up, while going down will leave them out!
Jeff….
I think, Neely\’s strategy. Is correct at this time……
Already broke on top of that small triangle.
Yes safe, not to commit before hand and look like fool!
I meant to say that I am done for today..don\’t want to push my luck, and puck my guts out..
Not sure on wave count but 890 would likely have all my 15min indicators in bullish alignment allowing for 20+ points upside normally.
no push my luck…don\’t want to puck my guts out…
Infact top of that can go until Thursday high!
The one I talking about is since Friday OCT 24. The other big one is already broken down.
egoldspot, I do see a descending triangle on a bigger time frame.
From what I think is dow has formed a descending triangle. It will intially
break on upside to get poeple on wrong side and then fall in straight line downwards.
Crash occurs, when people think it\’s going up!up!up! and then damn!
People still salivating for the "crash"? I think we\’ll have a nice 200+ up day today. Crashes don\’t happen when everyone expects it.
Potential intraday triangle complete with overthrow at 883 but it\’s an unusual spot for one so not sure. 885 break could mean bullish outcome or extended triangle. Downside confirmation of triangle break below 865.
Fib target from the same setup is 898, then 909.
Interesting thing – Elliott Oscillator Daily started to go down again
with daily ADX trying to go above 50
http://forkoholic.com/images/spx102708ADX.jpg
Ascending triangle, potential target 909.http://www.flickr.com/photos/30240833@N03/2977966041/
Sure enough Serg, he just emailed some awesome advice! Unfortunately, I can\’t tell you what it is because I don\’t want the Serg curse to counteract it.Actually, I did just get his latest email and he still thinks the bottoming process is taking place and the market will soon go up toward 1100 but he isn\’t recommending any trades and still maintains that if the S&P (cash, not futures) drops below 838, then a crash to 600 is occurring.
As I was relooking at the chart trying to find EW explanation for what is going on, I decided to relabel my chart to show that wave 4 is not over. My best guess for wave 4 has always been a flat or a triangle as wave 2 was clearly an abc and generally we get alternation. Since the ndx retraced all of wave a, i thought we might have an irregular flat. Flats require a five wave move off of wave b and end near the end of wave a. Since I have yet to see one impulsive move off of the bottom, my flat scenario was getting less and less likely. Also, since we seemed to be quite choppy, that was providing more weight to the triangle scenario.
I first labeled that wave 4 ended on 10/20 with a truncated wave d/e, which can happen, especially when everyone is watching the triangle. We got what looked like an impulsive move off that failed high; however, we have not been able to generate any acceleration to the downside. I was first labeling them 1-2, 1-2, 1-2, but how many of those can you do anyway before it looks ridiculous? So, I decided to look at it from the triangle side (I still have not seen an impulsive move off of Friday\’s low) with a slight descent to the triangle. I realize that is not the normal pattern of a triangle, but I believe we are dealing with huge amounts of downside pressure and that could be making the triangle contract slightly down.
I\’ve reduced my short positions (still am short though) and have added some long positions. My key levels to watch are Friday\’s low (a breach will make me 100% short and will add to my position) and Friday\’s high (a breach should send us through the downtrend line to finish wave e in an overthrow, and then a reversal, at which point I\’ll close my longs and add to my shorts).
http://flickr.com/photos/richpettingill/2977926325/sizes/o/
Best to your trading.
Interesting read.
Hey Jeff
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my NeoWave sub expired, so Neely should be good now
So far this is a complete inside day…..haven\’t taken out either the high nor the low from Friday (I\’m looking at the Dow)
10, 15, 30 min ADX in sideways
If you missed the 60 minutes piece on CDS here\’s the linkhttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/26/60minutes/main4546199.shtml
funny thing is, people are expecting an extreme movement on either
side, up or down, that the market is now trading in a tight range that
the longs and shorts are probably cancelling each other out, or people
just waiting for a breakout either waychop chop
That\’s just to watch for clarity. Can\’t chart on it.
Erik – I use S2\’s 1 minute chart http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID3026812
On Dow, there was a Descending triangle now another one decending triangle, jsut outside it
Worst pattern.
S2, I remember. It was frustrating to have to wait, but ultimately she gave. I agree with the major resistance and support levels, they\’re magnets, just like you said.I normally watch yahoo finance for 1-minute intraday, but they were messed up this morning. Waves lack the clarity on Google Finance that I normally watch. Any other recommendations?
This reminds me of the battle for 1260…remember that? centuries ago in August. We bounced all around it for many days even rallying from a brief dip below it until SPX finally cascaded down to 1134. A lot of trades are likely taking place at 840-900 and, if it breaks, that range would then serve as stiff resistance just like 1265 did on the bailout bounce from 1134. The next level which has built up a lot of trades is 985 +/- and then there is 1044-1070 to round out what I think will be the 3 magnet points on any sizable bounce.
We\’ve filled a few open gaps in the last few days, which is healthy. We\’ve still got an open gap to 920. Todays corrective could extend, though I give it lower probabilty as it would need to breach the upper trend line, and would turn bullish.Good luck longs and shorts.
335 ABC correction
apex right on time – exactly at 11:15
Let\’s get it over with already. Maybe I\’ll take a nap.
–, agree. Long here for a trade. Taking out 890 will accelerate to the upside.
Mid caps (MDY) relatively strong today.
There is such an easy short squeeze waiting to happen. Everyone here is short, easy to take the market up.
S2,
I have only 3 forks left from 1440
Starting to look like a small triangle.
SPX now at 860, it has to complete, no matter what pple thinks or say on TVs.
SPx dun read the news or watch te TV.
11:15 small triangle apex
ISE is very bullish this morning. CPC is slightly bearish. Neither are extremely bearish or bullish so there is probably room in either direction SPX picks. Of course, I\’m still playing the down side.
If we do finally get our 3 of 5, do you think VIX will hit 100? Whodathunkit?
Today is the third shot at clearing 8200 to the downside. So far it has held. We\’re going down to test that now. Watching closely but did take the opportunity this morning to climb in short.
I sold 1/3 of my short position at the close Friday. I wasn\’t planning on rebuilding it based on last night\’s futures, but I took the opportunity on the gap fill and will lower my stop to maintain profit.
From 1440, I count 5 likely 1-2s. If you think the bounce from 840 was an ABC into 985, there would still be 4 likely 1-2s. That means after what could be a sizable wave 3 drop, there should be several sets of 4-5s. And, given 866–>985 was one of those wave 2s, at least one wave 4 could be very large although wave 4s usually retrace less. My 15min indicators are turning over so SPX needs to hold this morning\’s low and bounce or risk a cascade down.
I sold 1/3 of my short position at the close Friday. I wasn\’t planning on rebuilding it based on last night\’s futures, but I took the opportunity on the gap fill and will lower my stop to maintain profit.
From 1440, I count 5 likely 1-2s. If you think the bounce from 840 was an ABC into 985, there would still be 4 likely 1-2s. That means after what could be a sizable wave 3 drop, there should be several sets of 4-5s. And, given 866–>985 was one of those wave 2s, at least one wave 4 could be very large although wave 4s usually retrace less. My 15min indicators are turning over so SPX needs to hold this morning\’s low and bounce or risk a cascade down.
Hi Tony,Another alternative – Given the hesitancy of the indices to do a ferocious wave 3, it seems to me that we could probably rally higher to test the triangle breakdown (since everyone seems to be focusing on that now) and in that process build another 1-2 (and lower highs). This would indicate that SPX could go below 750 eventually for wave 5 and the bottom could be 2-3 weeks out…. Do you have potential support/pivot points if we take the 2002 lows out?Joe
Hi Tony,Another alternative – Given the hesitancy of the indices to do a ferocious wave 3, it seems to me that we could probably rally higher to test the triangle breakdown (since everyone seems to be focusing on that now) and in that process build another 1-2 (and lower highs). This would indicate that SPX could go below 750 eventually for wave 5 and the bottom could be 2-3 weeks out…. Do you have potential support/pivot points if we take the 2002 lows out?Joe
The diff is in WAve 3 max impact was in Future mkt. In Wave 5 max impact is in CASH mkt.
On open we have an ABC up to 882. First impulsive down followed. Retrace to 875, then it gets interesting. So far, completely bearish action.
Extreme volitility, Market is like Tsunami, It\’s just hrs before crash 12:10
Another way of thinking about it, is that if \’everyone is waiting for it\’, it gives big money a great entry if they let it happen. Big money *wants* panic to buy, it\’s cheaper.Dunno, but picked up SDS, QID this morning at 874… I\’ve got my stops in place.
with EVERYONE expecting the market to crash, including CNBC, how are we
going to crash this week? – a crash is way too easy and way too obvious
with EVERYONE expecting the market to crash, including CNBC, how are we going to crash this week? – a crash is way too easy and way too obvious
Riddle me this: why is the XLF up and the UYG down?
5-3-3-2 from 1276
3 of 3 of 3 of 5…?
This is nested impluse, wait until of 5 of all this 3 comes!
It will be brutal!
Bloomberg\’s website lists SPX futures low as 825.00
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/futures.html
Spx went to about 828 or so. I thought it was a rather pathetic low lacking in mommentum. The futures did not even manage to go limit down today. Gold did not make a new low. The jpy crosses struggled to make new lows or equal lows on less mommentum.
Futures seem to have bounced off of morning lows. iii = i around 830? This AM should be interesting.
I\’m still thinking there\’s a decent chance that the Dow will reclaim the 200 month MA on by close on Friday (the 200mMA is 8469). If we can get a bottoming here today/tomorrow, that\’s a 10%ish return & puts the Dow probably in a w4 up so there would likely be a bit more upside. I would think that the 200mMA should at least be worth a small bounce! I\’ll be watching for a level slightly below the recent low of 7773.71.
Is \’C\’ the last one to go, or another piece of puzzle?
Neely\’s last comment on Friday was that if the cash S&P dropped below 839.8, then he was going to assume that a crash scenario to below 600 was in play. Futures (not cash) is at 834 right now so if the PPT doesn\’t intervene when the cash market opens, it may be time to buckle up.If any of you want to make the money of a lifetime, I suggest you start looking at some December option contracts. Might as well take advantage of the hedge funds\’ margin-call panic. I recommend call options on quality companies that have been especially beaten down like Apple, Potash, Deere & Co, Freeport McMoran, etc. These are the companies that the hedge funds were all levered up on last summer and now they\’re going for fire-sale prices…